what aggrivates me is that they're trying to move on and leave that code behind for the most part, in NFS underground, maybe I read it wrong, but I think they're using a new physics engine in it, if not a heavily modified version of the one MCO used. Thats another thing that really put the burner under our asses, we've basically been EA's guinnea pigs, its pathetic to see a gaming company do something like that, but as to moving on to another MMOG, aint happenin any time soon, unless Yikes is successful with his project