ok let me re-iterate what i said last time. the 9600XT is technically faster than 9800se yes. but they are both crippled pipleine cards the only differnece that i know of is the ability to unlock the other pipelines in the 9800 therefore making it a pro of sorts. thus far though the best budget videocard on performace tests in the geforce fx 5700 if you dont beleieve me read real publications like maximum pc. The 9600Xt is good for the price but it all depends on the maufactuer supposedly the 9600XT is supposed to be on a 128bit memory bus and any 9800 is 256 the caveat is that the 9800 se is cripple clocked and pipelined but those problems can be remedied with software where as the 9600 cant. and about the 256MB thing ddr2 may have higher latency but much higher bandwith making it perform better saying ddr is a better performer than ddr2 isnt correct and i will stand by that one. thats like saying SDRAM is faster than rambus because it has lower latency times...it just isnt true. bandwith and clockspeed is king. latency is important dont get me wrong but if you have fast RAM with lots of bandwith a few extra microseconds of latency wont hurt ya a whole lot. ill take speeed and bandwith over fast response anyday. ram is supposed to hold and push info period. how fast it responds to command queues is important but negligible at those speeds. unless were talking cas 1 compared to cas 4 or higher. but hey if ya like the 9600XT go buy it...but id recommend 5700 fx right now. unless you have nvidia in that case save your pennies and buy a 128MB 9800 Pro its worth the extra 75-100 bucks.

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