Replacing Mobo

[LoneStrider]

so okay, heres the deal.

currently im running a real crappy mobo, a Fujitsu siemens D1875, socket 478, chipset SiS 648FX, with 2 RAM slots, a bunch of PCI and one AGP slot.

i heard you are able to pretty easily remove the processor from its place of the current mobo and put it in a brand new mobo without too much trouble. however, i am still quite unsure how these things work. is it really that simple as people say? don't i need anything else for it to make it work?
another thing. i will buy a new mobo because it doesnot live up to my expextations, has odd temperature failures, usb disconnection, and faulty music ports. but i have no friggin idea on what one to take. i need your help on that matter. my demands:

- price around 80 - 100 €
- must have at LEAST 2 RAM slots
- MUST have Dual Channel
- must have at least 5 PCI slots.
- MUST have one or more AGP slot (duh.)
- may be handy with onboard sound...
- optional(proirity: of no importance): old joystick connector
- MUST have alot of USB (2.0) ports.
- must have all the normal connector plug-ins.
- must have <insert YOUR recommandation here>


i&#39;m quite keen in finding a new one, a suitable one.

oh, before i forget, here are my specs:

Proccessor unit: intel Pentium 4 3.0 GHz HyperThreading Tech
Mobo: SiS (see pageup)
Vidcard: XFX Nvidia 6800GT 256 MB 333
RAM : 2 X 512mb Corsair XMS XLPro 1024 3200pc RAM modules with Dual Channel (currently disabled, damn mobo), Heatsink, TopLeds, and nice black paint :bangin: -_-
Sound: integrated Mobo sound (&#33;&#33;)
Cardreader: yes
USB: alottoffem&#33;
PSU: 450W Coolermaster Real Power 120 MM fan
MOBO cooler: BIG proccessor cooler with big fantube


if you need additional info in helping me out, please ask.

[Fycus]

I would personally recommend any Abit product. I love abit, and their motherboards never have any problems and come with really nice utilities. Since you are looking for a mobo from a UK site, just look for Abit because I do not know of any UK retailers. I have the AI7 pro, but the IC7 is better.

Link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16813127152 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813127152)

[SprigganX]

I would recommend a DFI lanparty motherboard, dont go with ABIT because i have seen too many problems with their chipsets and motherboards being faulty&#39;s. The DFI lanparty pro should do you well and is very sexy :thumbup: .

[LoneStrider]

i need more peoples opinion&#33;&#33; thanks.


edit

does someone know if i can just change my motherboard like that, so also chipsets and sockets? (or is the proccessor unit bound only to its given socket and chipset? i don&#39;t get shAt from this stuff...help mucho appreciated&#33;



edit

it seems alot of ASUS products pass my demands. someone who has his own opinion on this?

[Nxs]

Change your mobo like what? :D

[LoneStrider]

replacing it with a new one, using the old processor from the old mobo. and see updated post.

[Nxs]

Yessss, you can do that as long as the new mobo supports the processor you are cramming in it. Keep in mind though, tht with a new mobo, comes reformatting :D

[GM™]

Originally posted by Nxs@Jul 31 2005, 11:47 PM
Yessss, you can do that as long as the new mobo supports the processor you are cramming in it. Keep in mind though, tht with a new mobo, comes reformatting :D
Wrong&#33; Changing a motherboard does not mean reformatting&#33; Do you work for PCWorld or something?

If Lonestrider goes out and buys a really nice SiS chipset motherboard he can just swap them over and continue working with his same Windows install.

If he changes motherboard chipsets then he can repair his windows install without the need to format the HDD.

The only thing that stops windows booting will be that the OS cannot start/find the IDE controllers and a couple of other system devices. Repairing the OS will take a few minutes and you will not have to risk losing all your data.

[LoneStrider]

thanks guys&#33; great&#33;

so, GM (or anybody else&#33;), i need your expert help on the matter. say i got this mobo right now.


Fujitsu siemens D1875, socket 478, chipset NB SiS 648FX, SB SiS 964

i got this processor:

Intel pentium 4 Prescott 3000 mhz HT

and i think of getting this board:

Asus P4P800-E Deluxe
(Brand : ASUS
Type : P4P800-E Deluxe
Platform : Socket 478
Chipset : Intel 865PE
Systeem Bus : 800 MHz
Memory : DDR
memory kloksnelheid : 400 MHz
Dual Channel : yes
Video slot : AGP 8X
PCI slot : 5 x
IDE (PATA) : ATA100
IDE (SATA) : Serial ATA150
RAID : RAID 0, 1, 0+1, Multiple RAID
Grafische engine : -
Geluidsweergave : 7.1
LAN : 1000 Mbps
Firewire : 2 x
Formaat : ATX
Uitvoering : Retail
memory slots : 4 x
Printer : 1 x
Serial ports : 1 x
PS/2 ports : 2 x
LAN-ports : 1
S/PDIF out : yes
PATA : 3 x
SATA : 4 x)


is this possible?

[LoneStrider]

Bumbing the thread&#33;

come on people need help&#33;

[GM™]

Yes the motherboard will be fine&#33; However you will need to repair you Windows install from your Windows Installation CD-ROM upon boot&#33;

[BLACK KNIGHT]

It appears that that should work for you. In addition to the new mobo, i would recomend getting some good thermal paste(artic silver) for when you change the CPU to the new mobo. I did what you are trying to do, and no it is not hard.

Heres a quick step by step:
1. the cpu fan should still work on the new mobo. unscrew the fan(or get ready to take fan off of cpu), and lift GENTLY&#33;&#33; it might require you to twist to break the suction of the thermal paste from the fan to the cpu.

2. pull the cpu straight away from the mobo ONLY GRIPPING THE EDGES. you do not want to touch any of the pins on the bottom, and avoid touching the top of the processor, the oils from your fingers can block some of the thermal transfer to fan.

3. You should notice that 1 corner of the underside of the processor is missing a pin, or looks different, simlply match that corner of the processor with the correct corner on the new mobo.

4. you should not have to force the cpu into the mobo, if it takes more than a gentle push then stop, and look again because you may not have it right.

5. After you get mobo in, and clipped to the mobo securly, then apply thermal paste. A dot about the size of a dime in the center, then take a credit card or razor and spread a THIN and even layer of paste over the surface of the cpu. there should be no bare spots, and there should not be big globs either.

6. place the cpu fan straight on the processor, try not to twist and turn too much, it may affect the thermal paste on the cpu.

**Additional note** do not stand on carpet when doing this, because of static, before touching anything in the computer of course make sure computer is off, unplugged and then press the power button to release any additional charge held by mobo. ground yourslef by touching some metal before touching the cpu to release any static stored in your body.

I hope this helps if you need any additional help, besides looking in the manual for the new mobo, fell free to post here, and hopefully I will see it.

-BK

[GM™]

LOL, BK has far too much time on his hands at the moment&#33; Keep up the excellent posts m8&#33; :thumbup:

[GM™]

Yes you are right fo course, however you were in the Micrsoft Repair Console Prompt not running a Windows Repair.

Do a google for it m8&#33; Then u will understand like a true IT master&#33; :starwars:

[LoneStrider]

this made through. GM and BK, i greatly appreciate your help, and i think im going to get it now.



Yes the motherboard will be fine&#33; However you will need to repair you Windows install from your Windows Installation CD-ROM upon boot&#33;

okay, roger. however, i tried &#39;repairing&#39; windows once (with the same, fully functional pc), but i got this dos screen and it asks for an admin password. tried to enter my own admin password, but it didn&#39;t work. tried then every password i know of, but also to no avail. i cannot find ANY info regarding this password on the disc or the manual of my rig. do you know this password, or where to get it?


It appears that that should work for you. In addition to the new mobo, i would recomend getting some good thermal paste(artic silver) for when you change the CPU to the new mobo. I did what you are trying to do, and no it is not hard.

Heres a quick step by step:
1. the cpu fan should still work on the new mobo. unscrew the fan(or get ready to take fan off of cpu), and lift GENTLY&#33;&#33; it might require you to twist to break the suction of the thermal paste from the fan to the cpu.

2. pull the cpu straight away from the mobo ONLY GRIPPING THE EDGES. you do not want to touch any of the pins on the bottom, and avoid touching the top of the processor, the oils from your fingers can block some of the thermal transfer to fan.

3. You should notice that 1 corner of the underside of the processor is missing a pin, or looks different, simlply match that corner of the processor with the correct corner on the new mobo.

4. you should not have to force the cpu into the mobo, if it takes more than a gentle push then stop, and look again because you may not have it right.

5. After you get mobo in, and clipped to the mobo securly, then apply thermal paste. A dot about the size of a dime in the center, then take a credit card or razor and spread a THIN and even layer of paste over the surface of the cpu. there should be no bare spots, and there should not be big globs either.

6. place the cpu fan straight on the processor, try not to twist and turn too much, it may affect the thermal paste on the cpu.

**Additional note** do not stand on carpet when doing this, because of static, before touching anything in the computer of course make sure computer is off, unplugged and then press the power button to release any additional charge held by mobo. ground yourslef by touching some metal before touching the cpu to release any static stored in your body.

I hope this helps if you need any additional help, besides looking in the manual for the new mobo, fell free to post here, and hopefully I will see it.

-BK

superb&#33; all i needed to know in one post&#33; amazing&#33; thanks&#33;

however, i have once had to take out the mobo in its entirety because my PSU was giving problems. my pc/mobo consists of a big tube, which serves as a fan output right out of the computer itself (i tested it thouroughly once to know if it got hot, but it never blew out hot or even warm air.) taking off this big tube is not a problem, and it leaves an cube-sized metal jacket. it holds what i think is a big fan-shaped heavy cilinderal heatplated object. when its metal casket is romoved, you can just take out this heavy heatplated thing, to reveal a shining surface, about the size of a large medieval coin. i didn&#39;t pay that much attention to it at that particular time, but it didn&#39;t show any trail of a processor unit.

now my question is, do you still need the paste if its cooled like that? maybe im gonna dig into my computer and see if i can lift this round surface, and look if it has paste anyway. what when it does? do you need to scrape off the resid and apply fresh paste?

anyway, thanks for the help.

[LoneStrider]

Originally posted by GM™@Aug 1 2005, 11:11 PM
Yes you are right fo course, however you were in the Micrsoft Repair Console Prompt not running a Windows Repair.

Do a google for it m8&#33; Then u will understand like a true IT master&#33; :starwars:
eh? wait, is this about the password, or the other matter? do need to google for the password? that sounds redicoulous.



so should i repair like this (http://www.geekstogo.com/forum/Repair_Windows_XP-t138.html)? doesn&#39;t it ask a password with that method?

ah, yet another thing popped up. >> nopassword

in case the former doesn&#39;t work.

cool, i think i oughta try that sometime.

am i a true IT master now?

[BLACK KNIGHT]

yeah you should apply new paste, you might be able to pick up some stuff at radio shack or something, but i wouldnt use old paste. I dont know of any configuration that wouldnt use a thermal paste, that is the direct contat between the processor and the heat sink. without something like that paste&#092;heat sink, the processor would burn up in minutes.

[LoneStrider]

very well, i think i got it all right now&#33; thanks alot people&#33;

[GM™]

Not using thermal paste will not blow up your components, it will however increase the component temperature, because the thermal paste dissipates the heat more efficiently&#33; :thumbup:

[Nxs]

Originally posted by GM™+Aug 1 2005, 04:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GM™ @ Aug 1 2005, 04:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--the alcohol soaked braindead chimp@Jul 31 2005, 11:47 PM
Yessss, you can do that as long as the new mobo supports the processor you are cramming in it. Keep in mind though, tht with a new mobo, comes reformatting :D
Wrong&#33; Changing a motherboard does not mean reformatting&#33; Do you work for PCWorld or something?

If Lonestrider goes out and buys a really nice SiS chipset motherboard he can just swap them over and continue working with his same Windows install.

If he changes motherboard chipsets then he can repair his windows install without the need to format the HDD.

The only thing that stops windows booting will be that the OS cannot start/find the IDE controllers and a couple of other system devices. Repairing the OS will take a few minutes and you will not have to risk losing all your data. [/b][/quote]
I didnt know that&#33; Thats nice to know :D

[LoneStrider]

i am not allowed to bid/buy via ebay. sucks, yeah, especially when the highest bid is 16 pounds.

[olifatass]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ASUS-P4P800E-DELUXE_...5QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ASUS-P4P800E-DELUXE_W0QQitemZ5794205344QQcategoryZ16145QQcmdZVi ewItem) Hurry up and you might be able to get this.

[uLLved]

Originally posted by Nxs+Aug 2 2005, 03:35 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Nxs @ Aug 2 2005, 03:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -GM™@Aug 1 2005, 04:48 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--the alcohol soaked braindead chimp@Jul 31 2005, 11:47 PM
Yessss, you can do that as long as the new mobo supports the processor you are cramming in it.* Keep in mind though, tht with a new mobo, comes reformatting :D
Wrong&#33; Changing a motherboard does not mean reformatting&#33; Do you work for PCWorld or something?

If Lonestrider goes out and buys a really nice SiS chipset motherboard he can just swap them over and continue working with his same Windows install.

If he changes motherboard chipsets then he can repair his windows install without the need to format the HDD.

The only thing that stops windows booting will be that the OS cannot start/find the IDE controllers and a couple of other system devices. Repairing the OS will take a few minutes and you will not have to risk losing all your data.
I didnt know that&#33; Thats nice to know :D [/b][/quote]
Same with me lil&#39; chimp ;)
I was certain that I had to format my computer when I changed the MoBo.
(from a Leadtek K7NCR18D PRO to a ASUS A7N8X-E Deluxe :P )
But i didn&#39;t...man was I happy&#33; :P
Cheers. Kisses. Hugs. Gays.