USA want to strike Iraq because...

[Irs2k3]

They want to steel their oils, and this is what they used to do http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[Bucky]

.. oh boy..

[Syanide]

This is one of the GAINS of the WAR, I for one agree to go to war, The bad part of the war for US citizens is that their taxes will go skyrocketing when they are supplying food and rebuilding Iraq etc.

ill tell you my reasons for war but id bore you to death http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Bucky]

The whole "War for oil" argument is ridiculous. US oil refineries are not geared to handle Mideastern crude anymore, we have shifted our dependence to South America.

If we were going into Iraq to gain it's oil, wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to simply lift the sanctions and buy Hussein's oil on the cheap? And what about our actions in Kuwait in the aftermath of the first Gulf War?

We went in and liberated Kuwait, cleaned up it's oil fields, and left! Didn't "steal" a drop of oil, we don't even buy any of their oil.

Kinda destroys the whole War for Oil argument in three paragraphs, eh?

[Cartman189]

Granted Iraq has 10% of the worlds oil reserve and I'm sure that is in the bush administrations mind in this 'war' but I doubt thats the only reason. The past 20 years (gulf war) has been a rough time between Iraq and US.
2 ironic points
1st, we helped saddam get into office in Iraq.
2nd, we sold Iraq weapons that can easily modified.

I personally think that we are aimed at the wrong country.. Iraq's shrinking milltary, government power, and disarment is not dangerous to us.. (US) I think we should be more worried with Korea and its growing nuclear capabilities and influence in the pacific - Pakistan and selling bomb/nuclear secrets to terriorist (along with N korea). ect... Russia has 150 tons of poorly guarded plutonium/uranium and so on.

[Sarafan Lord]

Most of Russia's nuclear material is not weapons grade, and consequently relatively harmless(as harmless as nuclear stuff gets anyway). The weapons grade stuff is under lock, key, and heavy guard. Even if someone DID manage to get their hands on either type, they'd still have trouble transporting it anywhere. It's not something you simply stick in a suitcase, regardless of how Hollywood portrays it.

Neither Pakistan or N.Korea are going to sell terrorists any nuclear material or "secrets". Neither country has any love for terrorists, and there is no price high enough to risk the wrath of the world discovering such a trade. Any country engaged in such a trade would be embargoed, sanctioned, and very likely blockaded in every way possible by everyone.

As for the two ironic points, this is hardly news. The US has developed quite a history of boosting one faction, only to have it turn on it's "master" later on. They should remove the I from CIA, because they show little concern for the long term effects of their meddling, and that's where some of the worst problems crop up.

[Cartman189]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Neither Pakistan or N.Korea are going to sell terrorists any nuclear material or "secrets". Neither country has any love for terrorists, and there is no price high enough to risk the wrath of the world discovering such a trade. Any country engaged in such a trade would be embargoed, sanctioned, and very likely blockaded in every way possible by everyone.[/b][/quote]
I&#39;ve read reliable sources that they have. And N Korea has sold missle secrets and bought bomb secrets by one of the chief bombers in Pakistan that has vistied north korea around 12 times in this year.
Nuclear is nuclear.. If it isn&#39;t harmful then it can be made to be. Not saying that we should look into russian affairs but Pakistan and N Korea are more deadly in my opinion

[Bucky]

It is easy at this point to say N. Korea or Pakistan is more of a threat, but we are very simply going to have to deal with Sadam at some point, either now or in the future.

I&#39;m willing to trust that we uncovered some pretty hard major indications of ties between Iraq and Al Qaedah. That being the case, it makes sense for us to pursue that avenue.

It may be the case that stomping 2 countries with terrorist ties will finally convince all of the other petty little tyrants who seek to gain international influence through the use of terrorists that it is counter-productive to their long term health.

Either way, terrorism ties or not, 9/11 or not, the world is going to have to deal with Sadam Hussein someday. He has shown over and over that he is willing to use any means available to gain his way.

He is the only leader in power in the world today that has ordered the use of WMD, and he continues to seek their production. I cannot imagine a more terrifying scenario than him having nukes, and that includes N Korea, because N Korea, for all of their chest thumping, has shown some sense in their dealing with the rest of the world.

Sadam Hussein is like a rabid dog, he has to be put down before he hurts more people.

[ofp player]

one of the laws of the UN restrict the

united states or any other contry from destroying another country for the soul perpose of overtaking there complete resorces {aka) ..oil

[ofp player]

one of the laws of the UN restrict the

united states or any other contry from destroying another country for the soul perpose of overtaking there complete resorces Â*{aka) ..oil http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Syanide]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
funny 56k&#39;er error http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Irs2k3]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Syanide]

That 56k&#39;er error looks like a Vinal record skip, cos you read the 1st sentence, then look at the next posts 1st sentence and when you say it in your head it sounds weird...or is that just me http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[Mr_Aurelius]

I think that someone should tell Bush that he could surrender and give NATO the power, cuz he will not be able to handle the pressure in the long end.

[Syanide]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (irs2k3 @ Mar. 08 2003,15:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They want to steel their oils, and this is what they used to do Â*http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif[/b][/quote]
I bet you feel real stupid saying this now, becuase they aint goin in for oil http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

[Dennis S.]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Syanide @ April 11 2003,18:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (irs2k3 @ Mar. 08 2003,15:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They want to steel their oils, and this is what they used to do Â*http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif[/b][/quote]
I bet you feel real stupid saying this now, becuase they aint goin in for oil Â*http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif[/b][/quote]
No, they won&#39;t drill for the oil themselves. Why, if they can start selling equipment to Iraqis to replace the outdated / broken equipment they&#39;ve got because of the sanctions. And get the new puppet government to sell oil to coalition at low prices. http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Ah.. the power of lead]

the real trouble right now is the proposed tax cuts
POINT 1: They give the rich most of the money, and they dont even get much like several thousand. OOOHHH THATLL HELP THE ECONOMY
POINT 2: It will push America into a budget crisis the likes mankind has never seen
POINT 3: Bush is incredibly DUMB

[Irs2k3]

^^^^^^^^^^^^
USA is currently working on a new TAX system :Oo:

[Sweden Rocks]

Don&#39;t get mad on me now (i&#39;m just the messenger lol)
You americans is a bunch of retarded chickens, you&#39;re talking about N. Korea and Pakistan... they&#39;re a threat blablabla.
USA have ½ of the ten biggest countries collected armies and you talking about threats. How can something be a threat then :Oo:

[interman]

When a country has nuclear weapons it qualifies as being a serious threat, because if a country attacks it then it can attack back with so much force that it&#39;s felt for a long time. The term used for this during WWII was M.A.D. (Mutual Assured Destruction), and that&#39;s pretty much how things are today.

[Targitai]

Originally posted by Sweden Rocks@May 19 2003, 08:34 PM
Don&#39;t get mad on me now (i&#39;m just the messenger lol)
You americans is a bunch of retarded chickens, you&#39;re talking about N. Korea and Pakistan... they&#39;re a threat blablabla.
USA have ½ of the ten biggest countries collected armies and you talking about threats. How can something be a threat then :Oo:
For example, Russia is a BIG threat. Do you know how much nuclear weaponary Russia has? Thousands of nuclear stations and rockets. It can destroy any single country, even USA. Yes, USA are also have nukes as well as N. Korea and China, but in nuclear war survives the one who pushes the red button first.

[Syanide]

heres a sentence id like people to try and oppose US nukes:- Do you see the US threatening neibouring countries with Nuklear warfare, now, Do you see iraq doing that to its neibouring countries, YES. now, who then should be disarmed, yes, thats right, Iraq.

[Itachi]

I argree with ya Syandine.Personally I thought on 9/11 anyone who ever thinks about doing that to the USA we should eliminate, no questions asked nuclear deploymenat accpetable,i have toned down sense then after the past years,But we werent the people who satrted this thing that includes afgan,even iraq.if sadam would have cooperated in the beginnig we wuldnt have attacked.Now i know what some of you are thinking he did cooperate. WRONG&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; all he did was run the inspectors around in circles,and he got what was coming to him.Now for a closing argument if everyone would not mess with the USA we wouldnt mess with anyone else we "didnt go look for wars" but terriost made us change are ways.So if you wanna get made at anyone,call anyone names(like most of those damn war protesters) you should be aiming it towards osama,sadam,and anyone else who wants to start something.We just want to be left the f**k alone.

O and if there are any americans out there who dont approve of are presidents action, i know there are sites out there that will pay for your plane ticket,to get the hell out of usa,because truthfuly we dont want you here.

My 2cents

[Bucky]

Originally posted by Sweden Rocks@May 19 2003, 04:34 PM
USA have ½ of the ten biggest countries collected armies and you talking about threats. How can something be a threat then :Oo:
Didn&#39;t seem to help those folks in the towers all that much, now did it?

We are not gonna stand around and allow terrorists to declare war on us and attack us. We will fight back, duh&#33; :bangin:

[Ah.. the power of lead]

NUKE THE WHALES&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :clap: :clap: :clap:

[Big D.]

Yes, I agree, let&#39;s not nuke the whales.

[Targitai]

Totally agree with Bucky and DarkJester. At last I have found people who have the same opinions as I have.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

[Syanide]

Originally posted by DarkJester@May 20 2003, 02:09 AM
I argree with ya Syandine.
Well f**k my..... Syandine, are you taking the pÃ*ss? :lol:


edit: AHHHHH f**k, JUST NOTICED I GONE PAST 1000 POSTS WITHOUT MAKING A THREAD

[Sweden Rocks]

f**k**g lol :P
Nobody gonna nuke US, they didn&#39;t do that during the cold war and then the relations was more cold hehe

Americans are weak, 200 or something like that died in the towers buhu, yeah 4000 dies every year in shootings in the US every year, lets kill all the bad american :trout:

[Nxs]

You just hush seden boy&#33; You guys are always neutral so you don&#39;t get to say anything :D

[Syanide]

the only good thing that comes from sweden is pr0n :D, the rest of it is all that funny gibberish they call a language :P

[Targitai]

I have a better proposition - let&#39;s kill this Sweden_Rocks(by the way Sweden doesn&#39;t rock :lol: )

[Targitai]

Originally posted by Syanide@May 25 2003, 09:07 PM
the only good thing that comes from sweden is pr0n :D, the rest of it is all that funny gibberish they call a language :P
LOL, it&#39;s true about pr0n :P

[Syanide]

Yes, i have many a movie, cant understand what they are saying....when they moan :D

[Dennis S.]

Swedish pr0n is the r0x&#33;

[Dennis S.]

Anyway, to all the pro-Bush people out there:


now that the Saddam regime has fallen (a month ago) and a lot of his top aides are in American custody and are cooperating - would anyone explain me WHY no WMD&#39;s (whose alleged existance was the *supposed* motive for this war) were found yet? I&#39;m really trying to find an explanation for that. ;)

[Ah.. the power of lead]

also wheres the food and water im pretty sure iraqi hospitals need medical supplies, and one more thing AL QUEDA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SADDAM OR IRAN he denounced saddam, and is a completely opposite religeous faction then iran SHEEZ

[Dennis S.]

Originally posted by Ah.. the power of lead@May 25 2003, 05:14 PM
also wheres the food and water im pretty sure iraqi hospitals need medical supplies, and one more thing AL QUEDA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SADDAM OR IRAN he denounced saddam, and is a completely opposite religeous faction then iran SHEEZ
That I&#39;m not talking about at all... It was ovsious from the beginning, but accusing Iraq of ties with Al Qaeda was a HUGE part of Bush&#39;s little propaganda campaign, and obsiously worked well enough to make people believe in it.

[Syanide]

They are straighteing Iraq out 1st, trying their best to stabalize it yet, this might take 5 years or so to do, then they will properly search for the WMD&#39;s, besides they caught enough people on their most wanted list to justify the war in which there were very little human casualties, infact more poeple died in september 11th..

[Dennis S.]

Originally posted by Syanide@May 25 2003, 06:08 PM
infact more poeple died in september 11th..
WRONG&#33; You&#39;re talking about coalition casualties, right? What about Iraqi military (up to 10,000 ppl casualties) and Iraqi civilian casualties? :furious:

[Syanide]

who gives a ahit about the Iraqui military?

civilians yes, that was a shame, but the price of that war wasnt realy that much if you compare it to WW2 :D :P :sleep:

[Dennis S.]

Originally posted by Syanide@May 25 2003, 07:35 PM
who gives a ahit about the Iraqui military?

civilians yes, that was a shame, but the price of that war wasnt realy that much if you compare it to WW2 :D :P :sleep:
Honestly, I do give a shit about them. They&#39;re just people caught in the war, just like american or british military.


And well, this war is FAR from the grandeur of WW2.

[Itachi]

Originally posted by Syanide+May 20 2003, 11:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Syanide @ May 20 2003, 11:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--DarkJester@May 20 2003, 02:09 AM
I argree with ya Syandine.
Well f**k my..... Syandine, are you taking the pÃ*ss? :lol:


edit: AHHHHH f**k, JUST NOTICED I GONE PAST 1000 POSTS WITHOUT MAKING A THREAD [/b][/quote]
Sorry bout that m8 was typing to quickly
So in return here: Syanide
Ihave spelled it right now
plz forgive me

[Targitai]

First of all, I am not pro-Bush, I am pro-American and that&#39;s a very different things.
Secondly, do you think that all info about current situation in Iraq will be shown via TV?
No&#33;&#33;&#33; A lot of facts are still secret and I think will be secret for some time and that includes WMD&#39;s.
And one more thing, I don&#39;t believe in that shit that they can&#39;t find Saddam. With all the inteligence they have...

[Syanide]

Originally posted by DarkJester+May 26 2003, 04:20 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DarkJester @ May 26 2003, 04:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -Syanide@May 20 2003, 11:04 AM
<!--QuoteBegin--DarkJester@May 20 2003, 02:09 AM
I argree with ya Syandine.
Well f**k my..... Syandine, are you taking the pÃ*ss? :lol:


edit: AHHHHH f**k, JUST NOTICED I GONE PAST 1000 POSTS WITHOUT MAKING A THREAD
Sorry bout that m8 was typing to quickly
So in return here: Syanide
Ihave spelled it right now
plz forgive me [/b][/quote]
I&#39;ll Consider it :P


awww shucks, come here man

/me hugs DarkJester :francesco:

[Dennis S.]

Originally posted by Targitai@May 26 2003, 06:55 AM
First of all, I am not pro-Bush, I am pro-American and that&#39;s a very different things.

Secondly, do you think that all info about current situation in Iraq will be shown via TV?
No&#33;&#33;&#33; A lot of facts are still secret and I think will be secret for some time and that includes WMD&#39;s.
1 - well, then i guess it&#39;s just a matter of time when the fine lines between being pro-american and not pro-bush will be crossed. for example i don&#39;t know how exactly war in iraq helped american economy which seems to be going down again (2 months ago one canadian dollar used to cost &#036;0.60 USD, now it&#39;s up to &#036;0.73 USD. and no, canadian economy didn&#39;t become stronger in the last 2 months, at least comparing to euro).
2 - trust me, if they&#39;d find WMDs, the whole word would know it, since it was the ONLY allied justification to this attack before the UN. I believe the problem is that they&#39;ll never find WMDs, unless they&#39;ll plant them themselves.

[Targitai]

You right, war in Iraq didn&#39;t help american economy, but we are not talking about that now. By the way, american economy had to be decreased because of the war and it happens with every country which starts a major war such as this one.
About WMD&#39;s, maybe you right, but anyway I think they will keep it secret for a while.

[Dennis S.]

Originally posted by Targitai@May 26 2003, 04:17 PM
You right, war in Iraq didn&#39;t help american economy, but we are not talking about that now. By the way, american economy had to be decreased because of the war and it happens with every country which starts a major war such as this one.
Correct. So let me know if at the end your support for the war was pro-bush or pro-american. :D

[Bucky]

Targitai,

Give it up man. As soon as they do find the WMD&#39;s, Dennis and Co. will say that we planted it.

No matter what we do, or the fact that the Mid-East is significantly more stable now, we are still wrong.

[Syanide]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
1st post in 2 days bucky, how it feel? :clap:

If Dennis is the biggest conspiricy theotist on the board, then yes, he will think the US planted them in iraq, on the other hand, we will find the truth out in about 30 years from now, so try and live healthy bucky, you might just survive that long :D

[Bucky]

Originally posted by Syanide@May 26 2003, 06:37 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
1st post in 2 days bucky, how it feel? :clap:
It&#39;s a holiday weekend here :P

I been busy with the family :)

[Syanide]

Bank Holiday Monday here in UK, we all get a day off work, not like i care anyway, i got Half Term at school anyways, a whooooooole week off, mmmmm it feel good :D :clap: :clap:

[Dennis S.]

bah, back to work for me today, sux :nxs:

[Targitai]

Bucky,
Why give up? Never. :D
About people who never understand or believe, I simply HAVE TO use the bottom line of irs2k3:

Never argue with a stupid person, he will only beat you with the experience

:clap: :clap:

On a serious note, I am sure they will find the WMD&#39;s (if they didn&#39;t untill now), plus they will kick ass to all the terrorists and criminals out there, even if they have to use nukes.

[Itachi]

sense major action has ceased in iraq why dont we tlak about north korea abit.i know everyone has got to be pissed of at them,atleaaast by now

if any country ever did use nukes again because of tehre pettiy blackmailing techinque(starts eyes towards North Korea) i say we just say aww f**k it and turn the country north korea into the lake now know as north korea.Because they already sayed that they would sell,trade,and use nukes aginst the usa or japan.but this entire nuke crisis started after iraq and nk saw how the usa can kick some major ass even without the un support.but on the positive side i will agree taht this how situation is out of hand,and something does need to be done.peacifully if possible.we should sign a non agression pack with nk but with a note in big black bold letter,that if they ever think of pulling this stunt again, secret or public, that they will be in violation of this agreemetn making it void and that we will nuke there sorry ass for trying to get the entire fuking world into another nuke scare.

[KILLALLSCRIBS]

well.. i haven&#39;t been in this forum in a while.. so.. here i am.. posting again.. if someone hates me.. tell me now.. i have an open mind&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Syanide]

I hate your guts bitch :furious: :furious: :furious:

[Nxs]

lmao&#33; That just made me snort water&#33; lol :D

[Syanide]

Originally posted by Nxs@May 28 2003, 02:02 AM
lmao&#33; That just made me snort water&#33; lol :D
What amazes me is, why Psmaster whats to be flamed by everyone :lol:

[Dennis S.]

Originally posted by DarkJester@May 27 2003, 01:59 PM
sense major action has ceased in iraq why dont we tlak about north korea abit.i know everyone has got to be pissed of at them,atleaaast by now

if any country ever did use nukes again because of tehre pettiy blackmailing techinque(starts eyes towards North Korea) i say we just say aww f**k it and turn the country north korea into the lake now know as north korea.Because they already sayed that they would sell,trade,and use nukes aginst the usa or japan.but this entire nuke crisis started after iraq and nk saw how the usa can kick some major ass even without the un support.but on the positive side i will agree taht this how situation is out of hand,and something does need to be done.peacifully if possible.we should sign a non agression pack with nk but with a note in big black bold letter,that if they ever think of pulling this stunt again, secret or public, that they will be in violation of this agreemetn making it void and that we will nuke there sorry ass for trying to get the entire fuking world into another nuke scare.
NK will be a different case, completely different from Iraq, Iran or anything else. North Korea has nukes, and middle-range missiles able to send the nukes into Western part of USA. I don&#39;t think anyone (not even the crazy NK president or Bush) would risk a nuclear war.

[Bucky]

NK is just trying to use threats to gain favorable trade status. Bush blew them off, and China has stomped them to make them settle down. It&#39;s gonna blow over unless NK decides to use terrorism to gain their upper hand.

NK communist gov&#39;t will implode w/in 10 years (my prediction). Bush is following the Reagan formula that worked so well with the USSR.

[Itachi]

Originally posted by Bucky@May 27 2003, 10:33 PM
NK is just trying to use threats to gain favorable trade status. Bush blew them off, and China has stomped them to make them settle down. It&#39;s gonna blow over unless NK decides to use terrorism to gain their upper hand.

NK communist gov&#39;t will implode w/in 10 years (my prediction). Bush is following the Reagan formula that worked so well with the USSR.
Bucky wuts the Reagan Formula???

I know what your thinking "that damn kid needs to learn some freakin history"
truth is my intrest of history is back there with anicent egypt and shit,maybe the wwII era a lil but nohing in the 70&#39;s 80&#39;s or even early 90&#39;s

[Bucky]

Reagan buried the USSR in defense spending. He ran up our defense spending to the point where the Soviets bankrupted themselves trying to stay on par. The result was the disentegration of the USSR.

It is a perilous ploy, because if the target get pushed too far into a corner, war can be the result, as history teaches us.

But when you are faced with an avowed enemy who has sworn your destruction, you are already at war, so you might as well take the bull by the horns.

Bush has NK on the ropes, and is going for the knockout economically. The Chinese are sitting on NK to keep them from getting out of hand, so I think we are on strong ground here :)

[Targitai]

Well, I think that whole world near nuclear war now and not only NK. After war in Iraq there are so many countries which against american policy( I think you saw these war protesters in the begining of a war), so another war can begin almost in any day. The problem is that all major countries( like France, Germany, China and Russia) are thinking US started war because of an oil or something else, but not because of terrorism. No one believes that the purpose of war was to eliminate any connection between Iraq and terror organizations. But it&#39;s not the only purpose, there were secret purposes(I will not explain it here). Like in the begining of WWII there was Ribbentrop-Molotov contract and there was secret paragraph - it&#39;s the same thing here.

[Dennis S.]

yeah, a lot of countries (like russia and france) call usa the "agressor", so there&#39;ll be no support from international community for any further wars.

I don&#39;t think anyone would decide to attack NK together with USA if a war starts.