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John D.
03-19-2003, 12:28 PM
I've found this story on Reuters today...
Hizbollah Computer Game Recalls Israeli Battles
BEIRUT (Reuters) - March 18 - In a dimly lit, camouflaged room draped with flags of the Lebanese guerrilla group Hizbollah, a group of men calmly fire rounds at the head of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.
But no one shoots back.
The room is in an Internet cafe adapted for marketing a computer game made by Hizbollah to reflect battles between the Israeli army and the group, which withdrew from south Lebanon in 2000 after a 22-year occupation.
Cafe owner Emad said he placed plastic rifles on the walls and stacked sandbags at the entrance to transform the room into a mock bunker to generate interest in the game.
"We wanted to create a military atmosphere to complement the game. Guys like stuff like this," he told Reuters. Eight-year-old Hussein Osman said he liked the game because it featured real fighters and "because it kills Israelis."
"I can be a resistance fighter, even though in real life I don't want to do that," he said.
Washington deems Hizbollah a "terrorist" group and blames it for the 1983 suicide bombings on its Marines barracks and Beirut embassy as well as kidnapping Westerners in the 1975-1990 civil war.
Hizbollah's Internet center created the game, Special Force, in commemoration of the battles of the Shi'ite Muslim group whose attacks helped force Israeli troops out of Lebanon.
"Pursue your enemy from position to position. Take part in making victory," says an ad promoting the game on Hizbollah's al-Manar television.
MEDAL FROM HIZBOLLAH
The center's Bilal az-Zein said the game "tells an abbreviated story of the resistance." First players train at a war college to use guns and grenades by aiming at pictures of Sharon, as well as Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz and former Defense Minister Benyamin Ben-Eliezer. Players get a medal from Hizbollah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah after completing their cyber training.
At the next stage, they break through an Israeli position in south Lebanon and salute pictures of real-life "martyrs" killed at the same spot. Finally, players fight Israeli troops and blow up helicopters. When Israelis are killed, they yell "you killed me" in Hebrew. Zein said the game showed the "integrity of the resistance and fighting the occupation." Another game is also in the works.
"The goal is to create an alternative to similar Western games where Arabs and Muslims are portrayed as terrorists," he said.
"It lets zealous youth, or those who didn't get the chance to be part of the resistance, to participate," Zein said, adding it was not intended to intimidate Israel.
But the young players at the Internet cafe are more defiant.
"This game reminds us of the fighters and their suffering. It also entertains us and sends the Jews a message of defiance," said Maher Khalil, 22.
"To me it's a message more than a game," he said.
that goes into Al Qaeda Hunting trashbin http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif
interman
03-19-2003, 12:57 PM
Scary stuff
Ah.. the power of lead
03-19-2003, 08:53 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (John D. @ Mar. 19 2003,14:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"The goal is to create an alternative to similar Western games where Arabs and Muslims are portrayed as terrorists," he said.[/b][/quote]
Then dont potray yourselves as terrorists!
Norse
03-20-2003, 01:16 AM
Where's the download link? http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
About time to go flipmode on those fucks of Sharon!
Israeli
03-20-2003, 09:05 AM
Sharon is a Hero.
There was no occupation whatsoever since all the arab countries including Lebanon INVADED ISRAEL UNPREVOKED in 48 and 67, and they LOST!, it's their problem they lost.
Hizbollah are terrorists!
Freedom fighter DO NOT KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.
The only reason we fought in Lebanon was that the Hizbollah killed many civillians in Northen Israel. When we warned Lebanon, they said they were freedom fighters (they're not actually fighting for freedom, only fighting to kill jews and become nazis). The Israeli army has an obligation to protect its citizens, and so the lebanon war started.
The people you are fighting against in this game are actually BRAVE MAN AND WOMEN JUST LIKE YOU TRYING TO PROTECT THEIR FAMILIY AND FREINDS.
so please do not spread this game...
Syanide
03-20-2003, 09:40 PM
"One mans terroist is another mans freedom fighter"
Sarafan Lord
03-21-2003, 07:53 AM
I can't believe anyone is weak minded enough to take this "game" seriously. Reuters did EXACTLY what the "developers" wanted them to do. They made a shitty controversial game, which wasn't going anywhere, then Reuters did them the favor of granting it wide spread publicity. Way to go, Reuters! Must have been a slow day in the office for them to take notice of insignificant tripe like this.......
If games are a way of showing support for groups or organizations, then i guess i'm in support of: SWAT teams, various armies across the world, sword wielding heroes, and an odd assortment of alien empires. Â*http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Irs2k3
03-21-2003, 08:50 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^
Sharon is an assassin other then that would be fake, Period.
Bucky
03-21-2003, 09:15 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sarafan Lord @ Mar. 21 2003,02:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If games are a way of showing support for groups or organizations, then i guess i'm in support of: SWAT teams, various armies across the world, sword wielding heroes, and an odd assortment of alien empires. Â*http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/b][/quote]
Hey! Me too!
Let's start a political party http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Soultrape
03-21-2003, 11:40 AM
Hizbolla is Aight.... beats the israeli war machine
Israeli
03-21-2003, 12:10 PM
It's sad to see people talking about things they know nothing about!
"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom figher" - Totaly not true! freedom fighters DO NOT KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE, freedom fighters FIGHT FOR FREEDOM as oppose to the palestinians only fight TO KILL US ALL.
"Sharon is an assasin..." - stupid comment, without any base, you're just repeating the slogans of the terrorists, shows you're brainwashed...
WE sat in this land for 5000 years, not the palestinians.
How can you support them?
1) They kill innocent people, just because you don't live in Israel and you don't have to be afraid for your life everyday, does not mean they are right.
2) They do not want peace, they say we should get to the borders of 67, but what happens when we do? there's no partner that can gaurentee there won't be terror.
3) They are not freedom fighters, cuz they're fighting to kill jews. Would you call the nazis freedom fighters? after all, they wanted to Free europe from its un pured races who controls it, I don't think they're freedom fighters. Would you call the AL QAEADA freedom fighters? after all, they were angry that the US protected them in afghanistan, and sat foot on the afghanistan holy land. All they wanted was to liberate afghanistan. I don't think they're freedom fighters.
So shut the #### up, cuz you don't know #### about you're talking about!
I live in Israel, I see Yassar arafat says one moment "we want peace" and 5 minutes later "I call for millions of shaidim(suicide bombers) to come to Jerusalem".
IF YOU SUPPORT THOSE MOTHER FUCKER TERRORISTS WHO KILL MAN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN, LET'S SEE YOU JOIN THOSE TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS.
We offered the palstinians all we had in 1997, yassar arafat did not take the offer, because he didn't want peace, he wanted to destroy Israel.
Israeli
03-22-2003, 08:34 AM
Here's a site, that tells history very briefly and accurate matter.
Just spare 5 minutes of your time, to watch one of these multimedia presentations:
Click Here (http://www.conceptwizard.com/info.html)
Irs2k3
03-22-2003, 10:48 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^
scrue you and isreal http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Israeli
03-22-2003, 01:59 PM
Pathetic...
Israeli
03-22-2003, 02:01 PM
LONG LIVE ISRAEL!
so shut up you antisemic nazi crap bullshit mother fucker.
áï æåðä
Irs2k3
03-22-2003, 02:39 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
Syanide
03-23-2003, 01:31 AM
dude it was a fucking joke you moron i took the quote from the latest james bond film you stupid israeli spam lover!
I know one way to sort out the war over palestine Â*NUKE THE ENTIRE PLACE!, it would also get you off the forum Â*http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
EDIT: atleast Nazi's have policys that get rid of people like you!
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> LONG LIVE ISRAEL! [/b][/quote]
isnt this abit nationalist, abit NAZI like? I think so!
But ofcourse, the Nazi's would rather watch you die and accpet you!
Irs2k3
03-23-2003, 07:11 AM
LONG LIVE Syanide http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Syanide
03-23-2003, 11:09 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Syanides the name Pro-war spams my game! http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Ah.. the power of lead
03-23-2003, 04:15 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Guest @ Mar. 21 2003,14:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's sad to see people talking about things they know nothing about!
"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom figher" - Totaly not true! freedom fighters DO NOT KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE, freedom fighters FIGHT FOR FREEDOM as oppose to the palestinians only fight TO KILL US ALL.
"Sharon is an assasin..." - stupid comment, without any base, you're just repeating the slogans of the terrorists, shows you're brainwashed...
WE sat in this land for 5000 years, not the palestinians.
How can you support them?
1) They kill innocent people, just because you don't live in Israel and you don't have to be afraid for your life everyday, does not mean they are right.
2) They do not want peace, they say we should get to the borders of 67, but what happens when we do? there's no partner that can gaurentee there won't be terror.
3) They are not freedom fighters, cuz they're fighting to kill jews. Would you call the nazis freedom fighters? after all, they wanted to Free europe from its un pured races who controls it, I don't think they're freedom fighters. Would you call the AL QAEADA freedom fighters? after all, they were angry that the US protected them in afghanistan, and sat foot on the afghanistan holy land. All they wanted was to liberate afghanistan. I don't think they're freedom fighters.
So shut the #### up, cuz you don't know #### about you're talking about!
I live in Israel, I see Yassar arafat says one moment "we want peace" and 5 minutes later "I call for millions of shaidim(suicide bombers) to come to Jerusalem".
IF YOU SUPPORT THOSE MOTHER FUCKER TERRORISTS WHO KILL MAN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN, LET'S SEE YOU JOIN THOSE TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS.
We offered the palstinians all we had in 1997, yassar arafat did not take the offer, because he didn't want peace, he wanted to destroy Israel.[/b][/quote]
he was saying that what one person sees as a terrorist others can see as a freedom fighter, sheez what do you have in that big lump you call a brain http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
Syanide
03-23-2003, 08:59 PM
preeeeeeeeeeeecisely http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
well said lead
Soultrape
03-23-2003, 09:15 PM
All i have to say is,
you people don't know what you're talking about... you all watch CNN and think you got it all.
I won't discuss this any further as i don't like doing this online, just know you're Very much wrong... (take it from someone that lives in the region)
Peace out :]
Syanide
03-23-2003, 09:27 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I think most of us know that the media dont tell the whole story, they tell you what you want to hear.
Norse
03-24-2003, 11:19 PM
Shar:angry:n is a murdering sack of #### that will do anything to prevent peace. Israel is a rogue state which should be invaded in a preemptive strike since it doesn't comply with the UN resolutions. Then we could draw two separate states properly on the map and not a bunch of zones scattered over the region. Peace and quiet...
fudge
03-24-2003, 11:20 PM
Shar http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif n
Dakoth
03-24-2003, 11:38 PM
jup sharon is a mean bastard and so is saddam. but sharon can be voted out... Â* http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
norse - i think u meant SHAR http://www.gamershell.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif N
Syanide
03-25-2003, 02:55 PM
Sharon wasnt that bad <----- This is what ill be saying when he DEAD.
Israeli
03-25-2003, 05:27 PM
I'm tired of this.
Sharon this... Sharon that...
Why won't you leave him alone, cuz you really know nothing about him!
Why don't you say those things about Arafat? Hizbollah? Hamas? Fatah? Islamic Jihad?
Why pick on the man who saved people's lives.
For the one who said Israel should be invaded:
You're not the first, the arabs has invaded us 4 times already... take a number!
Bucky
03-25-2003, 06:59 PM
Enough... off to Kindergarten!
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"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom figher" - Totaly not true! freedom fighters DO NOT KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE, freedom fighters FIGHT FOR FREEDOM as oppose to the palestinians only fight TO KILL US ALL.
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Then what is IDF doing. How many civilians have idf killed how many times have we seen over a tv kids trowing rooks and a tank shooting at them. And you whant to say thats ok.
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"Sharon is an assasin..." - stupid comment, without any base, you're just repeating the slogans of the terrorists, shows you're brainwashed...
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Do you remmeber the massacre of Sabra and Shatila 1982. About 3500 woman and children where massacred. And who's responsible for that and afterwards had to resign.
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WE sat in this land for 5000 years, not the palestinians.
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How many jews where there in palestina before 1850. Less then 5 % of the population of palestina. Most of the jews in israel right now are from europe ( russia a big part ) US and other parts of middle east. Sow you cant say that the jews have been there for 2000 years because that is just not true if you dont beliv me check the history books.
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How can you support them?
1) They kill innocent people, just because you don't live in Israel and you don't have to be afraid for your life everyday, does not mean they are right.
2) They do not want peace, they say we should get to the borders of 67, but what happens when we do? there's no partner that can gaurentee there won't be terror.
3) They are not freedom fighters, cuz they're fighting to kill jews. Would you call the nazis freedom fighters? after all, they wanted to Free europe from its un pured races who controls it, I don't think they're freedom fighters. Would you call the AL QAEADA freedom fighters? after all, they were angry that the US protected them in afghanistan, and sat foot on the afghanistan holy land. All they wanted was to liberate afghanistan. I don't think they're freedom fighters.
So shut the #### up, cuz you don't know #### about you're talking about!
I live in Israel, I see Yassar arafat says one moment "we want peace" and 5 minutes later "I call for millions of shaidim(suicide bombers) to come to Jerusalem".
IF YOU SUPPORT THOSE MOTHER FUCKER TERRORISTS WHO KILL MAN, WOMEN AND CHILDREN, LET'S SEE YOU JOIN THOSE TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS.
We offered the palstinians all we had in 1997, yassar arafat did not take the offer, because he didn't want peace, he wanted to destroy Israel.
[/b][/quote]
Sow what is your anwser to this. You have ellected Sharon wich in his mind the only peace that can be made is an Israel with West Bank and Gaza a part of Israel and the palestinians driven out. Hmmm let me guess wich tactics did the nazi use on jews. And you claim that the arab world is a treat to you. Who in the middle east has a nuclear bomb who recives from us 3 billion dollars in millitary aid. Wich army has the best armement that US has to offer. And wich allie has basses in almost all the arab countrys.
The palestinians are supported because they have a right to leave in a country of theyr own wich Israel is depreding them from. If you really whant to see the reason behind those suicides that occur then look what your IDF is doing. I think i will be pist off to if my family was killed or if i had a kid who was killed just because he had trowd some rooks at a tank.
Syanide
03-25-2003, 11:14 PM
The guest who calls himself Israeli is either: Indoctrinated into thinking his present leaders are practically gods OR he is just downright stupid. Period.
Israeli
03-26-2003, 04:03 AM
"Then what is IDF doing. How many civilians have idf killed how many times have we seen over a tv kids trowing rooks and a tank shooting at them. And you whant to say thats ok."
In every war there was civillian casualties, especially when the terrorists hide in the civil population, and often uses them as human shields. The IDF however tried to prevent such cases. Arafat has 300 million dollars, enough to buy those kids guns, so them throwing rocks says nothing. A tank never shot kids who threw rocks. A soldier might have, if he felt his life is threatened, because if a rocks hits you in the head, you can die.
"Do you remmeber the massacre of Sabra and Shatila 1982. About 3500 woman and children where massacred. And who's responsible for that and afterwards had to resign."
The massacre of Sabra and Shatila and 1982 was done by christians. The accusation is that Sharon did nothing to prevent it. It is like the accusations made by Israel towards France who doesn't try to prevent antisemic terror acts these days.
"How many jews where there in palestina before 1850. Less then 5 % of the population of palestina. Most of the jews in israel right now are from europe ( russia a big part ) US and other parts of middle east. Sow you cant say that the jews have been there for 2000 years because that is just not true if you dont beliv me check the history books."
Do you know how many times our people was exiled. We are hated by so many people, the romans, the greeks, the philistines..
Check your history book what happened in 1070 (approximately). That's when the romans invaded us, and destroyed our great temple. In that time, we were the majority. But unlike the arabs, when we are in rule, we allow other religions to be in Israel aswell.
"Sow what is your anwser to this. You have ellected Sharon wich in his mind the only peace that can be made is an Israel with West Bank and Gaza a part of Israel and the palestinians driven out. Hmmm let me guess wich tactics did the nazi use on jews. And you claim that the arab world is a treat to you. Who in the middle east has a nuclear bomb who recives from us 3 billion dollars in millitary aid. Wich army has the best armement that US has to offer. And wich allie has basses in almost all the arab countrys."
Who told you we wants the West Bank and Gaza?
After the arabs invasion and our victory, we had the west bank plus gaza. We never wanted it, so offered to give it back to the egyptians, but they didn't want it either, so we're stuck with it.
An arab in Israel -> Alive
A jew in an arab country -> Dead
A nuclear bomb in Israel -> never used
A nuclear bomb in an arab country -> Already aimed towards Israel and launched.
We have good army equipment cuz of US's support. They understand our need to protect ourselves.
In every war there was civillian casualties, especially when the terrorists hide in the civil population, and often uses them as human shields. The IDF however tried to prevent such cases. Arafat has 300 million dollars, enough to buy those kids guns, so them throwing rocks says nothing. A tank never shot kids who threw rocks. A soldier might have, if he felt his life is threatened, because if a rocks hits you in the head, you can die.
Wow is that how justify killing kids . They fell treating by a rock in tank. It almost seems for each terrorist blowing up 10 people the idf is coming back and killing 30 and calling it well we justify that as war casualties. Or what about that F16 who dropped a bomb in highly populated area killing children and civilians just to get one hamas guy.
Not even the Americans in Iraq are doing that. IDF perspective of terrorist are all the Palestinians.
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The massacre of Sabra and Shatila and 1982 was done by christians. The accusation is that Sharon did nothing to prevent it.
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Sow if I had a dog under my commando and I released that dog in cage where you are and he killed you then I am not responsible. The PLO left libanon in accordance that those palestinans wich where left there would be safe from IDF and his allie. And the
Christians where on allie with Israel.
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It is like the accusations made by Israel towards France who doesn't try to prevent antisemic terror acts these days.
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That?s why over 1 million Jews are living in France. Cause there is sow much anti Semitic
In France. It has almost become a weapon for you. Very time Europe or any other critises Israel den you must be anti Semitic. The only way not to be anti Semitic is for you to shut up and close your eyes to what Israel is doing.
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Do you know how many times our people was exiled. We are hated by so many people, the romans, the greeks, the philistines..
Check your history book what happened in 1070 (approximately). That's when the romans invaded us, and destroyed our great temple. In that time, we were the majority. But unlike the arabs, when we are in rule, we allow other religions to be in Israel aswell.
[/b][/quote]
As far as I know the Romans that didn?t happened in 1070 you have to go about 1000 years back in history.
Let me tell you the history of what today is called Israel. Before there where any Jews there where Canaanites.
Between 3000 and 1100BC, Canaanite civilization covered what is today Israel, the West Bank, Lebanon and much of Syria and Jordan? Those would remain in the Jerusalem hills after the Romans expelled the Jews [in the second century AD] were a potpourri: farmers and vineyard growers, pagans and converts to Christianity, descendants of the Arabs, Persians, Samaritans, Greeks an old Canaanite tribes
The extended kingdoms of David and Solomon, on which the Zionists base their territorial demands, endured for only about 73 years? Then it fell apart?[Even] if we allow independence to the entire life of the ancient Jewish kingdoms, from David?s conquest of Canaan in 100 BC to the wiping out of Juda in 586 BC, we arrive at [only] a 414-year Jewish rule."
Those 2 quotes are taken from reliable history books.
People from that part where driven out from all parts Europeans Turks Arabs.
The Jews where not the only ones who endured hardship. But that was then and
You cant go back in history and say well that guy slaughtered me before now it?s my time to slaughter him. If we had that law around wow I think we all had some payback to do.
And wars like in bosnia be right !
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Who told you we wants the West Bank and Gaza?
After the arabs invasion and our victory, we had the west bank plus gaza. We never wanted it, so offered to give it back to the egyptians, but they didn't want it either, so we're stuck with it.
An arab in Israel -> Alive
A jew in an arab country -> Dead
A nuclear bomb in Israel -> never used
A nuclear bomb in an arab country -> Already aimed towards Israel and launched.
We have good army equipment cuz of US's support. They understand our need to protect ourselves.
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"The aim of the [Jewish National] Fund was ?to redeem the land of Palestine as the inalienable possession of the Jewish people??As early as 1981, Zionist leader Ahd Ha`am wrote that the Arabs ? understand very well what we are doing and what we are aiming at? ?[Theodor Herz, the founder of Zionism stated]?we shall try to spirit the penniless [Arab] population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country?Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly?? at various locations in northern Palestine Arab farmers to move from land the Fund purchased from absentee owners, and the Turkish authorities, at the Fund?s request, evicted them ? The indigenous Jews of Palestine also reacted negatively to Zionism.They did not see the need for a Jewish state in Palestine and id not want to exacerbate relations with the Arabs.
Sow settling in a country and don?t proclaim it as your own. That?s how you justify when the Arabs where angry at you and they didn?t put up with your tactics. That?s why today west bank and Gaza are filled up with settlers witch Idf helps them to bulldoze houses of Palestinians sow they can build homes with pools and the poor Palestinians are homeless.
And you are telling me that Nuclear bombs where launched against Israel when. Scud missiles with explosives don?t count as Nuclear Bombs.
Israeli
03-26-2003, 03:30 PM
"Wow is that how justify killing kids . They fell treating by a rock in tank. It almost seems for each terrorist blowing up 10 people the idf is coming back and killing 30 and calling it well we justify that as war casualties. Or what about that F16 who dropped a bomb in highly populated area killing children and civilians just to get one hamas guy.
Not even the Americans in Iraq are doing that. IDF perspective of terrorist are all the Palestinians."
Again, a tank never shot kids. But I've a question:
You're a kid, you see a tank searching for terrorists before you, would you throw a stone at it?
I guess not. We need to send a message to the palestinians, that we in no way will put up with their terror.
I never heard of that F16, and I'm pretty sure it didn't happened. You'll be suprised how many lies their are telling. Ever heard of Jenin? the palestinians moved in dead animal bodies only so the UN people visiting there would think there was a massacre.
You do not know nothing about the IDF, just because you heard something from CNN, does not give you the right to judge it. The IDF has put up MANY TIMES the safety of our soldiers at risk, only so innocent people won't get hurt.
"Sow if I had a dog under my commando and I released that dog in cage where you are and he killed you then I am not responsible. The PLO left libanon in accordance that those palestinans wich where left there would be safe from IDF and his allie. And the
Christians where on allie with Israel."
A dog is known to bite people. Do you think christians are known as to killing people?
This may shock you, but there is no zionist conspiricy, no protocols of zion, the christians never allied with Israel.
"That?s why over 1 million Jews are living in France. Cause there is sow much anti Semitic
In France. It has almost become a weapon for you. Very time Europe or any other critises Israel den you must be anti Semitic. The only way not to be anti Semitic is for you to shut up and close your eyes to what Israel is doing."
You're trying to say you never head of antisemic terror in France?
Being a jew and being Israeli are two different things, the one who makes that connection is antisemic.
The one who burn synnagones cannot say it is not antisemic just because he says it's a payback for Israel actions.
A person who critise Israel is NOT antisemic, a person who blames it on the jews IS antisemic. Don't be naive, cuz there are many antisemic people out there.
Just walk around the gaza street, every arab you'll meet will blame the JEWS not the ISRAELIS.
As far as to the rest you wrote, I don't really understand the English.... so many question marks... never mind?
"You cant go back in history and say well that guy slaughtered me before now it?s my time to slaughter him"
I'm not saying that, I'm saying we ruled this land long before the arabs drove us out unwillingly. We are not trying to drove out the arabs, we want them in our country, Israel has many arabs. The only problem they are trying to drive us out again, they invaded us 4 times, but now that we are able to defend ourselves they can't invade us again, so they are using the palestinian issue to drive us out.
Again, can't understand the English with the question marks...
I think you're a bit confused. The homes we are destroying belong to suicide bombers. You see, when a suicide bomber suicide killing many people, his family gets thousands of dollars from Iraq, so being a suicide bomber is pretty rewarding. We don't want that, we want so being a suicide bomber is not rewarding.
Why are we arguing? I know I cannot convice you, as you cannot convice me..
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Again, a tank never shot kids. But I've a question:
You're a kid, you see a tank searching for terrorists before you, would you throw a stone at it?
I guess not. We need to send a message to the palestinians, that we in no way will put up with their terror.
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You know something we have demonstration here to where people are trowing rooks . But I haven?t seen one police officer shoot a person for that. And those images about kids getting shoot by tanks well they are imprinted all over the world wich most people have seen it.
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I never heard of that F16, and I'm pretty sure it didn't happened. You'll be suprised how many lies their are telling.
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July 25 2002 F16 strikes with a guided 2000 lb. bomb on a heavly populated area. Killed one hammas and 14 civilians injuring many others. If you don?t belive me search on google you will find a lot of news media wich has reported this including the Israeli media.
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You'll be suprised how many lies their are telling. Ever heard of Jenin? the palestinians moved in dead animal bodies only so the UN people visiting there would think there was a massacre.
You do not know nothing about the IDF, just because you heard something from CNN, does not give you the right to judge it. The IDF has put up MANY TIMES the safety of our soldiers at risk, only so innocent people won't get hurt.
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You enter a refugee area where people are all ready suffering with tanks and helicopters.
And when people are shooting at you call in tanks then bulldozers to demolish houses.
The pictures where horrible I don?t whant to think what the people endured and they are still enduring today. How many Palestinians tanks do you see on your street and apache helicopters. How many times are the Israeli people looked up in their own houses for days. How many times is your house searched by Palestinians for arms. You hold more the 5 million hostages in they or own houses. And we should respect the way IDF is going about. Last time I checked the ratio 1:3 . That means each time the palestinias kills a Israeli the idf makes shure that they will condouct some operations wich almost 90 % of them involves civilian causilties.
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A dog is known to bite people. Do you think christians are known as to killing people?
This may shock you, but there is no zionist conspiracy, no protocols of zion, the christians never allied with Israel.
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This may give a clue to what it happened http://www.sabra-shatila.be/english/
By the way didn?t they kick Sharon out of Knesset for that?
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You're trying to say you never head of antisemic terror in France?
Being a jew and being Israeli are two different things, the one who makes that connection is antisemic.
The one who burn synnagones cannot say it is not antisemic just because he says it's a payback for Israel actions.
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In today?s world you don?t need to be a Jew to experience racism. Arabs Africans Asians will tell you that they have also experienced racism but they aren?t paranoid to call almost all for being racist. In today?s world when you are being called racist is like you are being called an idiot. And the Israeli government has has made shure to use it every time they are criticized .
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Just walk around the Gaza street, every arab you'll meet will blame the JEWS not the ISRAELIS.
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And how many times I have heard from the Israelis that when they refer to Palestinians they call the Arabs. Isn?t what you are doing the same as they do.
Ok my mistake about the parts wich you haven?t understood here are here:
http://www.zmag.org/content/Mideast/jewsfjustice.cfm
This link is a jewish link with the history of Palestina .
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I think you're a bit confused. The homes we are destroying belong to suicide bombers. You see, when a suicide bomber suicide killing many people, his family gets thousands of dollars from Iraq, so being a suicide bomber is pretty rewarding. We don't want that, we want so being a suicide bomber is not rewarding.
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How about those homes wich where before the Settelments and wich have been destroyed to build settlements. Tell me you say that Israel isent interested in gaza or west bank but why is Settelmet growing and growing.
How can I gain a picture from all this that the Jews are threatened. It?s like and American saying well I am afraid that Cuba may one day take over USA.
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