WHICH VID CARD!

[Kacperski]

AFAIK there is no 9xxx series card on pci-x.
As to the 6600, it will be better :thumbup:
You might consider buying the gt since there not that much more expensive.

[Matt22]

I just bought the ATI Radeon 9600 XT 256mb and tried to put it into my computer, only to find that it doesnt fit.
I do have a PCI Express slot though, maybe there is a PCI Express version of the 9600?

Anyhow, if there ISNT one, would a PixelView GeForce PCX6600 256MB PCI Express 128bit 400MHz RAMDAC +TV-out, DVI be just as good?

[SprigganX]

x700 pro go for that. might not be great, but still does the job.

[loserII]

the x600XT is slightly faster than the 9600XT and it comes in PCI-E :thumbup:

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041222/images/image015.gif

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041004/images/image016.gif

[Kacperski]

X600 would be a step back from the 6600 you suggested, and yes they are all better than 9600

Edit: don't double post :nxs:

[Matt22]

Thanks, some good advice.

[Matt22]

But are the graphics on the X600XT as good as on the 9600 XT?!?!

[uLLved]

I got an 9600XT for X-mas present and I was very satisfied!

Manufacturer: HIS HIS Digital (http://www.hisdigital.com)
GPU: 500 MHz
RAM: 265 DDR 600MHz

this came with a very good GPU-cooler annd for a VERY low price =)
and t'was an AGP-model

[Strawberry knight]

Originally posted by Matt22@Jan 19 2005, 10:02 PM
Listen, im very confused.


Can someone just tell me which card has the best graphics and performance, out of these:

1. http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.a...?ProductID=7663 (http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductID=7663)

2. http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.a...?ProductID=7191 (http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductID=7191)

3. http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/in...d=64790&_LOC=UK (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=64790&_LOC=UK)

4. http://www.dabs.com/uk/productview.htm?qui...JW&refererid=WQ (http://www.dabs.com/uk/productview.htm?quicklinx=3GJW&refererid=WQ)
The first one, However avoid the 256 mb Version! ... I don't think I have to explain my self again why to avoid it.

I cannot see the last one; tell me what it is please.

[Strawberry knight]

Originally posted by Matt22@Jan 19 2005, 10:32 PM
I'll go with the 6600.
But are their any other versions out there I should be aware of

I am looking for the best card I can find for about £110.


p.s. why avoid more memory?
Damn it! Why you don't ever read my posts for every thread that you are asking and others asking about?!

In short, it uses DDR memory, crap for big memory types as this one, so better get a 128 mb version.

Let me tell you something, i think this will make you understand:
I have a 64 MB card, that doesn't stop me from getting 120fps+ with 60-80 average in HL2, or getting 59 fps in doom 3, or any other new and old game on the market. my memory has quick response to data and it's made by a good company, it can be over clocked even higher than a 128mb version of the same card, because my memory is better.

Got it?

[Matt22]

I did read your post.

But I want know why MORE memory is WORSE.

Why?

[Strawberry knight]

Originally posted by Matt22@Jan 19 2005, 05:53 PM
I did read your post.

But I want know why MORE memory is WORSE.

Why?
You see, if u had indeed read my post you would not ask again.

Here is the post, again. Read the last part, it's more ... summarized



QUOTE (Posted: Nov 26 2004 @ 08:38 PM)
My first advise (and that goes out to everyone who wants to buy a new graphic card and knows nothing about it) Is not to think about the quantity, but to think about the qualityÂ*

you see, the problem is that every guy (and girl) who wants to buy a new card or what ever (HD/CD-rom) thinks that "the more the better" ... " the bigger the box, more stuff can get it" ... "the bigger the engine the better" ... What is actually happening is THEY ARE THINKING AT THE WRONG WAY!Â*

You @Matt22 have picked 2 cards with 256 MB of ram ...thinking " wow that's big, that will make my games runs faster and look better!" you might as well think that if you stuck a 12 cylinders V-shaped into a scooter that has 600cc engine, then it will ride like a jet fighter, NO ! It will not! It will still have the same old crappy 600cc engine ... just with more cylinders that will only make it heavy and slow.

That's the same thing that happens when you buy a new card, The NVIDIA 5200 (in fact all of the 5200 cards) are low at performance if you do not over clock them, the SE/XT uses a 64-bit memory interface so lets not talk about it at all.
The 5200 ultra despite having a clock rates of 325/325 using a 128-bit memory interface they are still lower in performance when comparing them to the GeForce4 Ti4600/4400/4200/4800, their fill rate is much higher (and the number of transistors) regardless of using the same clock rates and memory interface. Therefore increasing their memory capacity will only make them work slower then they are already used to be, they use DDR type memory rather than using a DDR 3/2 or GDDR 3 like in 6800 series that was made for holding large quantity of memory and handling it at the best speeds. Moreover, the maker of the memory is probably bad thus the price is so low.

The same thing goes for the 9600 256 MB, the card is not as good as you think he is if you want to buy a 9600 get the XT version or above. Because the same thing happens with the FX 5200 series, the clock rate don't affect the fill rate or the memory Bandwidth of the card as it would affect other cards like the 4600 that has only 128 mb. You do not need that much, however if you buy a newer cards like the 6800 GT or the 6600 GT (or any 6600-6800) it has 256 mb of memory because this card is meant to have that much. the memory chips are good using GDDR 3/ DDR 3/2, the architecture is good, all of these and other are well set up for holding the 256 mb and handling it at the best possible way, while the 5200/9600 256 mb are not.

For conclusion, get more money and buy a 9600XT/9700/9800(pro/regular) (whatever memory u like because on these versions it is fine) or a 6600GT/6800LE (soft mode to a 6800GT with no problem)



Low ram comes with good companies=fast speeds. (Since the ram is low, the cost is low, thus they can use high speeds from good companies)

Bigger ram comes with bad companies=lower speeds. (Since the ram is high, it costs more, thus they will have to compensate for the high price by using low speeds from cheaper companies)

But wait, that raises a question, high-end cards use bigger ram, does that mean it's slower? The answer is no.
High-end cards COST MORE MONEY, because they use HIGH SPEED ram like GDDR3 ~ DDR3/2 that are faster and more efficient techniques that can handle large amounts of ram in high speeds, making the card ideal.

If you have more money, buy a High-end card with more ram, if you cannot afford it by a card with no more than 128 MB, unless it uses DDR2/3 memory ... but that's a High-End card already. So stick with the 128. :thumbup:

[Matt22]

Thanks so much, but I would prefer not to get a Pro version.

Any others?

I thought someone recommended me a 6600 before.

[Matt22]

This one http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.a...751&GroupID=595 (http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductID=7751&GroupID=595)
Looks good to me.

Is it better than the 9600 XT 256mb?

[Matt22]

Listen, im very confused.


Can someone just tell me which card has the best graphics and performance, out of these:

1. http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.a...?ProductID=7663 (http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductID=7663)

2. http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.a...?ProductID=7191 (http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductID=7191)

3. http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/in...d=64790&_LOC=UK (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=64790&_LOC=UK)

4. http://www.dabs.com/uk/productview.htm?qui...JW&refererid=WQ (http://www.dabs.com/uk/productview.htm?quicklinx=3GJW&refererid=WQ)

[Kacperski]

6600

[Matt22]

I'll go with the 6600.
But are their any other versions out there I should be aware of?

I am looking for the best card I can find for about £110.


Please can someone put in order of 1 to 10 how good the cards are that I posted above.


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[Matt22]

Thanks for that very useful information.

Can you recommend a 128mb PCI Express card for around £110?

I want to buy in the United Kingdom.

[Strawberry knight]

Originally posted by Matt22@Jan 19 2005, 11:57 PM
Thanks for that very useful information.

Can you recommend a 128mb PCI Express card for around £110?

I want to buy in the United Kingdom.
Powercolor ATI Radeon X700Pro 128MB DDR3> PCI Express x16, has DVI, TV Out, S video.
For £109.95

Or:
Powercolor ATI Radeon X700Pro 256MB DDR3> PCI Express x16, has DVI, TV Out, S video.
For £129.95

Found here: http://www.pcupgrade.co.uk/productsDisplay...I-Express+Range (http://www.pcupgrade.co.uk/productsDisplay.asp?keywords=ATI+PCI-Express+Range)
The last 2 on the list.

I think I missed the VAT at 17.5% :bucky!: so ... forget about those cards :D :lol:

[biff_jackson2000]

I have a plain nvidia 6800, has really come down in price, and I find it's a great card. If you play Doom3 or opengl
titles, it's very good. If you play other games, it's very good. Apparently not as powerful as some of ATI's cards when
running antialiasing, but with the resolution cranked up - you don't need antialiasing.

Good card. Sold an ATI 9800 pro and this card is about twice as fast in most games. The 9800 is still a great card,
however. I was torn between upping my processor speed, or getting a new card. I got the card. It's kind of a trade-off.
Nice to have both card and processor speed if you can get it.

[Strawberry knight]

Originally posted by Matt22@Jan 19 2005, 07:34 PM
Thanks so much, but I would prefer not to get a Pro version.

Any others?

I thought someone recommended me a 6600 before.
The pro version is good.
As you like, here are some good one's:

For prices 76-105
MSI-http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.a...127&GroupID=340 (http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductID=8127&GroupID=340)
Point of View-http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.a...751&GroupID=595 (http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductID=7751&GroupID=595)-recommended


For prices £109-£136

MSI-http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.a...125&GroupID=340 (http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductID=8125&GroupID=340)-The biggest bundle I have ever seen :Oo: :francesco:
MSI-http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.a...ID=8122&GroupID (http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductID=8122&GroupID)-ATI
Point of View-http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.a...752&GroupID=595 (http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductID=7752&GroupID=595)-recommended

[Strawberry knight]

Yes.

[SprigganX]

uhh rather go with x700pro then 6600.

[Matt22]

Its just hard to understand these things from scratch.

At the moment I have a ATI Radeon 9600 XT 256mb sitting on my computer because it does not work with it (my computer only has PCI Express ports).
I have tested it on my other computer, and the graphics are AMAZING.

So can someone recommend me a PCI Express version card that is equavalant, or better, than the ATI Radeon 9600 XT 256mb?!?!

I would prefer something from £100 - £120

[Matt22]

I thank everyone for their kind information and advice, but I need to ask one last question.

Does anyone know if the X600XT 128mb is the same, or better than the 9600 XT 256mb?

Or does anyone know of any OTHER card that is the same, or better than the 9600 XT 256mb?

It doesnt neccessarily have to be 265mb as I have learnt that more ram and mean slower speeds.

[Kacperski]

Originally posted by Matt22@Jan 20 2005, 07:22 AM
Does anyone know if the X600XT 128mb is the same, or better than the 9600 XT 256mb?

Or does anyone know of any OTHER card that is the same, or better than the 9600 XT 256mb?

They are all better, the x600 is only slightly better, the other have a bigger advantage.
As to the pricing, other ppl will have to help you here. Just one thing- cards based on the same gpu but made by different companies rarely differ among themselves. Just avoid those "very cheap" cos you can end up with the crappy memory having only 128mb of it.
As to the war between x700 and 6600, the difference is rather small and you'd unlikely see it looking at two IDENTICAL machines running on those two different cards.

[Strawberry knight]

Originally posted by SprigganX@Jan 20 2005, 09:48 PM
just pick whatever.Still rather go with the x700 =/.
Of course, I would personally go with that as well, as I suggested to him, however he said something between 110 and the 6600 from "point of view" is the best choice.

[BurneR:]

need to get a few peoples point of view here - whats better the nVidia FX6800GT or the ATI X800 Pro. Looking to upgrade within the next 3-4 weeks and @ the moment i am set on the nVidia....What do u all think? :thumbup:

[Strawberry knight]

Just get the 6600 as i said.http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.a...751&GroupID=595 (http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductID=7751&GroupID=595)

It is better than a X600XT and the 9600XT all together, and the price is right.

What do you have to think about any more? , there are no other cards for the same price, which are better than this one for PCI Express.

[SprigganX]

just pick whatever.Still rather go with the x700 =/.

[Psycho Pigeon]

lol mat, which computor does not have the AGP port?. Its funny that the dell and i quote you " dell make the best computors in the world " did not come with an AGP port, 600 wasted! good thing louis ain't wasted yet ey?. Get the 5200.

[Kacperski]

Originally posted by SprigganX@Jan 20 2005, 02:48 PM
just pick whatever.Still rather go with the x700 =/.
Ati fanboy :P
I was a fan of ati cards in the 9xxx series, but now exept for the x800 they usually suck against nvidia. Even if they are only slightly worse, I'd like to know that I get most that i can get for my cash.

[Strawberry knight]

Originally posted by Matt22@Jan 21 2005, 03:13 AM
Wait, once LAST question.

Is this > http://www.techstore.co.uk/detail.php?prodLineID=41987

better than this > http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.a...751&GroupID=595 (http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductID=7751&GroupID=595)

?
Yes, it is.

The X700Pro 128 Mb DDR3 is better.

[Matt22]

Oh jesus!! BACK TO SQUARE ONE!!

ahhhhh!!

[Matt22]

Ok thanks Kacperski, SprigganX, biff_jackson2000 and GrimReaper.
You havet helped alot.

I will go for that http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.a...751&GroupID=595 (http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductID=7751&GroupID=595)

Looks like total ownage, Im glad that im getting this one instead, it looks better. :thumbup:

Thanks guys :thumbup:

[Matt22]

Wait, once LAST question.

Is this > http://www.techstore.co.uk/detail.php?prodLineID=41987

better than this > http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.a...751&GroupID=595 (http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductID=7751&GroupID=595)

?

[Strawberry knight]

Originally posted by Matt22@Jan 20 2005, 11:48 PM
Oh jesus!! BACK TO SQUARE ONE!!

ahhhhh!!
Just get THIS (http://www.techstore.co.uk/detail.php?prodLineID=41987) one already :thumbup:

[Matt22]

Dam you GrimReaper ! :rant: lol, you messing me around.
In a few posts above you told me to get the 6600, and now you say get the X700 pro.

Ahhhhhhhh! All i want to get is the equivalant, or better, card than the 9600 XT that is a PCI express.

[Lord_Behemoth]

he recommended the 6600 cus most of the time it is cheaper than the x700 pro, but now that u found the x700 pro cheaper than the 6600 it is common sense that he would now recommend the x700 pro. As or my opinion I'd recommend the X700 PRO if u are able to get it for that price :thumbup:

Now stop ur bitchin and get that videocard!! :smartass:

[Psycho Pigeon]

Yeh mat stop bitching LoL. I still don't believe about your pc, so funny!. Conned by dell.

[Kacperski]

It's difficult to chosse from two almost identical cards without throwing some personal preference into it.
If all else fail toss a coin or smth.

[Strawberry knight]

Originally posted by Lord_Behemoth@Jan 21 2005, 11:36 AM
he recommended the 6600 cus most of the time it is cheaper than the x700 pro, but now that u found the x700 pro cheaper than the 6600 it is common sense that he would now recommend the x700 pro. As or my opinion I'd recommend the X700 PRO if u are able to get it for that price :thumbup:

Now stop ur bitchin and get that videocard!! :smartass:
precisely ;)

[Matt22]

Ill go for the X700 Pro

Thanks

[Matt22]

Hey GrimReaper, what card you got? B)

[Strawberry knight]

Originally posted by Matt22@Jan 21 2005, 08:45 PM
Ill go for the X700 Pro

Thanks
:thumbup:

[Strawberry knight]

Originally posted by Matt22@Jan 21 2005, 09:50 PM
Hey GrimReaper, what card you got? B)
I still use my good old 4200 TI 64 DT from MSI :francesco: :thumbup:

Pic (http://forums.gamershell.com/index.php?act=ST&f=16&t=9493&st=60&#entry117968) :D