CPU Intel P4 vs. AMD 64

[DR4G0N]

:Oo:
i need advice what CPU is the best for gaming
someone says intel P4 becuse is good CPU and it s fast
someone says AMD64 becuse it s 64-bit ?? and problem is he need good fan system
oo hell
hmm..
so i asked here to see what are your menings
anyway i want to buy
INTEL P4 3.2
or
AMD-64bit 3.2

Whats better

[killika666]

well if u want the intel 3.2 and 3200 amd the amd is quite a bit cheaper so y not get a 3500+ it is WAY better for gaming then any intel out there :P

[Sepht]

AMD64 3200+

[Hasse]

Make sure that the AMD has the Winchester core! It's teh r0xxal0t!!

[loserII]

if it says 64 bit take it runs cooler than p4

[DR4G0N]

aa ok then i will take AMD-64 BIT 3.2
Tnx for advice :D

[LoneStrider]

i always found a Pentium 4 a bit more stable than AMD's. but that might because i never played an AMD :P

[Fycus]

If I were you i'd wait. Intel is releasing some new 64bit cpu's soon and AMD is also releasing a new line of 64bit pcs that look even better than their counterparts.

[DR4G0N]

anyway i will buy a new cpu in april or may
and maybe then will have intel p4 -64bit
newer knows

[KamisoriX]

64 Bit is only good if there are 64 Bit aplications.

[Sepht]

Originally posted by Fycus@Feb 27 2005, 03:46 PM
If I were you i'd wait. Intel is releasing some new 64bit cpu's soon and AMD is also releasing a new line of 64bit pcs that look even better than their counterparts.
I saw the EMT64 performance on the Xeons. Disappointing reverse engineering on intels part.

buy the 3200, in a year ull be able to upgrade to dual core, they use the same socket, all u'll need is a new chip n a bios update.

[DR4G0N]

bytheway
i will buy entire new pc but i just needed few info about amd or intel cpu

so my new comp wil have

AMD-64 BIT 3200 (939PIN)
GIGABYTE Geforce 6600GT 128DDR 3
Gigabyte NFORCE 4 MOTHERBOARD
1024mb ddr ram
creative audigy 2 zs
160gb serial-ata +8mb Hithaci

will that comp that i will buy it hold for new games on maximum quality for 1 or 2 years?

[LoneStrider]

everything on ur comp is fine, however i heard some stuff about the nvidia video card you currently have. but ill bet its good enough for 2-3 years.

[JMS]

AMD 64 ROcks

Intel Eat their own turd and keep making teahatty processors

sandpaperers

[DR4G0N]

Great ;)

[hulabaleet]

Originally posted by DR4G0N@Feb 28 2005, 03:53 AM
bytheway
i will buy entire new pc but i just needed few info about amd or intel cpu

so my new comp wil have

AMD-64 BIT 3200 (939PIN)
GIGABYTE Geforce 6600GT 128DDR 3
Gigabyte NFORCE 4 MOTHERBOARD
1024mb ddr ram
creative audigy 2 zs
160gb serial-ata +8mb Hithaci

will that comp that i will buy it hold for new games on maximum quality for 1 or 2 years?
large quantities of ram should be in registered/buffered and ECC :thumbup:

btw amd 64 vs intel is a no brainer unless ur someone who falls for marketing schemes and knows nothing about computing.
and the amd 64 CPUs are better for gaming for many reasons kamisorix is an idiot. one reason being the high number of pins and the massive data rate (800mhzFSBx2=1600mhz and hyper transport is awesome, hyperthreading si crappy and glitchy)
enjoy ur new pc

[DiluteDCrisiS]

AMD PWNZ!!!

[Hasse]

Originally posted by DiluteDCrisiS@Mar 3 2005, 07:48 PM
AMD PWNZ!
WORD!!

[mart]

Originally posted by DR4G0N@Feb 28 2005, 03:53 AM
bytheway
i will buy entire new pc but i just needed few info about amd or intel cpu

so my new comp wil have

AMD-64 BIT 3200 (939PIN)
GIGABYTE Geforce 6600GT 128DDR 3
Gigabyte NFORCE 4 MOTHERBOARD
1024mb ddr ram
creative audigy 2 zs
160gb serial-ata +8mb Hithaci

will that comp that i will buy it hold for new games on maximum quality for 1 or 2 years?
Why you don't buy a nVidia 6800 LE card. You can enable the 4 disabled pipes and so get more performance for same money. (+10 €)
Nobody can say, if this system will run all games for the next 2 years in high quality. See Splinter Cell 3 in Shader 3.0 Mode. Every actual gfx do not run this mode with more then 35-40 fps.

[hulabaleet]

Originally posted by mart+Mar 4 2005, 03:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mart @ Mar 4 2005, 03:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--DR4G0N@Feb 28 2005, 03:53 AM
bytheway
i will buy entire new pc but i just needed few info about amd or intel cpu

so my new comp wil have

AMD-64 BIT 3200 (939PIN)
GIGABYTE Geforce 6600GT 128DDR 3
Gigabyte NFORCE 4 MOTHERBOARD
1024mb ddr ram
creative audigy 2 zs
160gb serial-ata +8mb Hithaci

will that comp that i will buy it hold for new games on maximum quality for 1 or 2 years?
Why you don&#39;t buy a nVidia 6800 LE card. You can enable the 4 disabled pipes and so get more performance for same money. (+10 €)
Nobody can say, if this system will run all games for the next 2 years in high quality. See Splinter Cell 3 in Shader 3.0 Mode. Every actual gfx do not run this mode with more then 35-40 fps. [/b][/quote]
what exactly do u mean "every actual gfx do not blah blah blah 40 fps"
u dont realize that your on a 128mb video card with a peice of junk processor and crummy ram.
and since pixel shading is a texture enhancer you really could use the extra 128megs of ddr3 ram, and keep in mind that just because ur video card is overclocked doesnt mean its the equivalent of a GT. you have half the ram, and games like SC require tons of fast system memory and video ram.
i play the demo of chaos theory on max settings at 1280x1024 with ati truform and my video card only has 8 pipes and i get lows of 30 fps and highs of 70(or highs of 110 if u count situations like look at a wall directly, or the sky)
thats on a 9800pro 128 meg
and the GOOD nvidia 6800 (NU,GT,U) are made to handle the pixel shader 3.0., the LE is really a bad purchase from what ive read, you can get a NU for like 25 dollars more.

look at benchmarks of systems that are actualy good.
his 6600GT with a gig of ram and the amd 64 will blow away ur 6800 with ur sory rig.
keep in mind im not trying to rag on you or your system, which really isnt that bad for a budget person, but you should also keep in kind that a good video card needs equaly good processing and memory for todays games(half life 2 can even run with terrible video cards if you have a good processor)

and here&#39;s a quick ratio to help you understand computers.. which you dont.
if you have 512 ram and the next guy has an extra 128(for whatever reason)thats a ratio of 4:5 and the program you are using hogs say... 550mb of system memory, your not gona have a performance ratio with that guy of 4:5, it&#39;s gona be more like 3:5 if your lucky, because he has just more than enough than he needs, he has no slow downs , wheras you have just less than you need so that extra amount is going to have to be made up with an extra refresh of the memory.
in other words, if every time the data in your ram is refreshed, say 1 time ina given refresh time, he will only need to refresh once to clear it, wheras you need to refresh twice to clear the same amount of data
he has 640 ram, minus 550 from the aplication= 90
you have 512 minus 550 = -38
basicaly you have to refresh till the number reaches >=0 for your remaining memory, since u have a mere 38 left, u have to refresh again, thats 2 times for the same amount of data an extra 128 clears one time
that extra one time kills performance

this simple concept can be applied to all aspects of computers.

[Sepht]

btw shader model 3.0 does NOTHING for the appearance of graphics. There is 0 differance in visual appearance.

FC SM2.0 is the same thing graphically as FC SM3.0

all shadermodel 3.0 does is give a small(10% at most I think(not positive)) performance increase by adding a few more things in the raw hardware support.

[hulabaleet]

Originally posted by Sepht@Mar 5 2005, 03:28 AM
btw shader model 3.0 does NOTHING for the appearance of graphics. There is 0 differance in visual appearance.

FC SM2.0 is the same thing graphically as FC SM3.0

all shadermodel 3.0 does is give a small(10% at most I think(not positive)) performance increase by adding a few more things in the raw hardware support.
i wouldnt know really, i use a 9800 .
i thot i read a doom3 reveiw that showed pixel shader 3 on nvidia 6800ultra as oposed to 2 on x800 or something and the 6800 was way better looking, but maybe im confused because that was a while back and doom3 sucked, and back then i had a p4 1.27ghz with a fx5200

sepht can i add u to steam friends, my name is Civilian Pr0ject
...i want to own u at css :P

[Psycho Pigeon]

Nvidia 6800 GT or Radeon X850XT 256mb?.

[-Deadly-]

It&#39;s more a case of adding more realistic environment lighting etc...

for instance when (in real life) you go from a very dark place to a bright place, your eyes need to adjust, stuff like this happens with SM3.

Going from inside to outside (on carrier level) makes your vision seem saturated with light for the first few moments making it more realistic to the gaming experience.

There are lots of small touches like this throughout FC with SM3
:thumbup:

[Sepht]

Actually your mistaken. Thats not SM3.0. SM3.0 makes no visual differenace at all


Thats HDR and is on(though not in FarCry completely) on ATi 9700+ and X600+, and the Nvidia 6xxx series.
(Nvidia finally put HDR into its 6xxx and fC(being nvidia sponsered) put it in, ATi has had its own brand of HDR since the 9xxx, HL2 is putting that in as we speak)

Thats a decent(though not completely accurate) discription of HDR, one of the better ones ive seen on this forum

SM3.0 (when compared to SM2.0) has no visual qualities, it just speeds up rendering.

[-Deadly-]

God yeah, it&#39;s HDR isn&#39;t it :lol: :lol:

Too early, maybe i should go back to bed. Wait a minute i can&#39;t, got a brat that wants feeding :lol: :lol: :lol:


Wasn&#39;t Sm3 meant to make things look more textured and keep the original shaping etc... regardless of how close you were to the object in question :unsure:

[Sepht]

nope. SM3.0 is just a performance increase.

HDR is about keeping true colors and a full set of lighting. THG HardOCP have better discriptions.

[mart]

Originally posted by Sepht@Mar 5 2005, 05:49 AM
Actually your mistaken. Thats not SM3.0. SM3.0 makes no visual differenace at all


Thats HDR and is on(though not in FarCry completely) on ATi 9700+ and X600+, and the Nvidia 6xxx series.
(Nvidia finally put HDR into its 6xxx and fC(being nvidia sponsered) put it in, ATi has had its own brand of HDR since the 9xxx, HL2 is putting that in as we speak)

Thats a decent(though not completely accurate) discription of HDR, one of the better ones ive seen on this forum

SM3.0 (when compared to SM2.0) has no visual qualities, it just speeds up rendering.
I do not say, that SM 3.0 brings better quality&#33; But if a game (like SC 3) only suppports 1.1 and 3.0, then of course the gfx is much better on gpu&#39;s which support SM 3&#33;

Actually, Half Life 2 do not support HDR. (in the resell version) It&#39;s just faked HDR? (Software support...)

9x00 series supports HDR? Never heard, but I&#39;m still learning.....

[Sepht]

SC3 supports 2.0 and 3.0 I belieave. With no graphicial difference(unless the devs decide to do something that can be done on SM2.0 but only make it on GPUs with SM3.0, there was a 64bit game that had a strong dif between 32bit version and 64bit version, not because 32bit can&#39;t do the same thing, but because the dev excluded features from it)

I didn&#39;t say HL2 supports HDR.

HL2 is putting that in as we speak
A few steam updates ago, you will have read this:
http://www.hlfallout.net/viewnews.php/7746/

Yeh. all those features Nvidia added to its 6800 that allow HDR were already in ATi&#39;s 9x00 series.
Do a search on these forums for
keyword: HDR
time: Anydate
username: Sepht
I went over it.

[DR4G0N]

all right then AMD-64 RULEZ ey
and Nvidia Geforce 6 rulez
Ok i see that 6800LE
ist good maybe i buy it but i will think about that in april

[Ark-Angel-04]

:thumbup: hay stick with 64bit
much better than intel and about your pc bing able to run stuff at max in 2-3 years
sorz to say no chance this is what i got and still have problems runing todays games at max

AMD 64BIT-3500 WINCHESTER (939) @2400
ASUS A8V DELUXE REV2 BIOS 1009
2X512 DDR PC3200 CORSAIRXL @2522
XFX GEFORCE 6800 GT 256MB @416/1120
80GB SEAGATE HARD DISK
ENERMAX 480 COOLER GIANT PSU
ANTEC PLUS 1000AMG CASE WITH 5 FANS
PLEXTOR DVD
BENQ 17" TFT ACE FOR GAMES 12MS
ZBOARD (KEYBOARD) LOGITECH MX 500 (MOUSE)
SOUND BLASTER AUDIGY 2 ZS

:smartass: FULLY UP TO DATE AND DRIVERS AND BIOX TWEAKED TO PERFECTION

and guess what still have trouble playing games

ooo im using winxp pro sp1a sp2 fully up to date

games like far cry still run crapy on some levels and half life 2 runs crap on max details o well

AQUAMARK3 (71233)
3DMARK03 (13027)

:crybaby: REALLY GOOD SCORES AND ALL BUT IT STILL WANT PLAY ALL GAMES PERFECT MIGHT NEED MORE RAM BUT ILL WAIT FOR A 512 MEG CARD TO COME OUT OOOO AND IF U WANT A CARD FOR A GOOD PRICE GET A (GEFORCE 6800) CARD ABOUT 200 AT MOST GOOD WITH THE SYSTEM U WANT. :D

[Hasse]

I have:

AMD Athlon 3200+@Stock
Asus 9800XT@Stock
2*512 mb Kingston Ram@Stock

And I run HL2 and Far Cry with everything to max(Including AA and AF) without any problems so i&#39;m suprised that your comp can&#39;t handle it

[DR4G0N]

how strange
you might have something wrong wiht your hardware
strange :jawdrop:

[Ark-Angel-04]

:thumbdown: yeh i have seen peoples reviews and that there able to run them at good frame rates
but mine want i think its down to only 512 ram as there both big open games and both seem to need alot of ram

games like unreal 2004 and doom3 run ace but not these ummm :crybaby:

every thing else runs fine good benchmarks and all

[mart]

Originally posted by Sepht@Mar 5 2005, 06:18 PM
SC3 supports 2.0 and 3.0 I belieave. With no graphicial difference(unless the devs decide to do something that can be done on SM2.0 but only make it on GPUs with SM3.0, there was a 64bit game that had a strong dif between 32bit version and 64bit version, not because 32bit can&#39;t do the same thing, but because the dev excluded features from it)



It&#39;S the same like this game, you wrote about&#33; (Shadow Ops?) Dany Lepage (Ubisoft Montreal - Tech Director SC3) said, that the Engine do not support SM 2 mode. In SC 3 - u can see Parallax Mapping with Heightmap, HDR, Soft-shadows (like in Riddick SM 2.0++ mode --&#62; see the 6800 LE review) and "Tone Mapping" - shader for skin (? - whats the translation for "haut"?)

[DR4G0N]

YEAH in amd 64 is litle better graphic like in shadow ops rm
AMD64 looks like he is in the lead

[Sepht]

again.. no visual difference in AMD64s.. Shadow Ops was a gay game, they excluded features(that could have been done just as easily) on intels.

[Von_Luck]

Ark angel have you got both sticks of ram in the same channel
as i did doh&#33;. i have got a very very similar setup to you and
after i moved one stick to the other channel it runs like a
greased up ninja.

[hulabaleet]

Originally posted by Sepht@Mar 5 2005, 06:18 PM
SC3 supports 2.0 and 3.0 I belieave. With no graphicial difference(unless the devs decide to do something that can be done on SM2.0 but only make it on GPUs with SM3.0, there was a 64bit game that had a strong dif between 32bit version and 64bit version, not because 32bit can&#39;t do the same thing, but because the dev excluded features from it)

I didn&#39;t say HL2 supports HDR.

HL2 is putting that in as we speak
A few steam updates ago, you will have read this:
http://www.hlfallout.net/viewnews.php/7746/

Yeh. all those features Nvidia added to its 6800 that allow HDR were already in ATi&#39;s 9x00 series.
Do a search on these forums for
keyword: HDR
time: Anydate
username: Sepht
I went over it.
i dont know why but im having confusion reading this, are u sayin SC3 is a 64 bit game ?
it would be good news, but i was also under the impression that the processor handled things like game physics and virtualy nothing visual besides moving props was powered by the procesor, am i wrong?
also, i play HL2 at maximum settings at 1280x1024 with 4xAF and i get lowest fps in the worst situation of 43, average of 78, and peaks of 200+.
and i play splinter Cell3 at maximum settings, even the shadow resolution, at 1X anti aliasing and 2x anisotropid at 1024x768 and it runs smooth as butter.
although i cant very well say what my fps is...
is there any software that shows ur fps in any game?
im always curious about my fps in farcry, which i must say also runs flawlessly at 1280x1024 on highest settings.
doom3 is another story, i personaly think the game looks very stupid and is only so demanding because it is a terrible engine. half life 2 is tweaked to the max for performance and it shows as much.
i also use ATI truform for all games that support it, im not sure if this is the case for SC3 but i do remember getting sory performance on the multiplayer beta 1 of SC3 whenever i had it turned on.
but since then i have overclocked my ram and my video card and get flawless performance on the official single player demo. oh yeah and i have also used TUNE XP 1.5 after reading an ancient reveiw on performance boosting for HL2 (before it ever even came out) ... i read this reveiw maybe 3 weeks ago and did all the recomended tweaks in the tune XP program and i am VERY VERY satisfied.

lots of great tweaks for all types of systems runing XP.
for lower end systems it had an interesting CPU priority tweak that would set maximum priority to demanding games while runing the game .
lots of other great tweaks that also boosting my slow computer booting time,

anyway... please answer my questions, and sory for getting carried away like i always do, it seems im writing a book on this forum.

[Sepht]

Originally posted by hulabaleet@Mar 8 2005, 11:27 AM
i dont know why but im having confusion reading this, are u sayin SC3 is a 64 bit game ?
it would be good news, but i was also under the impression that the processor handled things like game physics and virtualy nothing visual besides moving props was powered by the procesor, am i wrong?
Nah. I&#39;m saying the only way SC3 will have HDR and features like that in SM3.0 but not in SM2.0 is if they pull a shadow ops.

Shadow ops was a game that added extra features unlocked only if you had a AMD-64.

Doom3 is much more powerful then HL2&#39;s engine.
Its also a decent bit better programmed, It just doesn&#39;t try to run away with flat, bland textures running at 4x res.

btw the only reason SC3 is using 3.0 and 1.1 and not 2.0 is probably part of the deal they made with nvidia to promote 6800 sales.
Check the nvidia logo on the Splinter Cell site..

[Vesper]

Get the AMD 64, and make sure you get a copy of Windows 64 Bit Edition, otherwise it would be pointless, it would still run like a 32 bit processor :P

[Sepht]

Originally posted by Vesper@Mar 8 2005, 06:24 PM
Get the AMD 64, and make sure you get a copy of Windows 64 Bit Edition, otherwise it would be pointless, it would still run like a 32 bit processor :P
what makes the AMD64 great is a lot more then the fact it can run 64..
even in 32bit mode(which 99.9% of people run), you get the on-board mem controller, low power usage, and the hypertransport bus.

Thats why they pwn Intel at games, not because of the 64bit, but because of the onboard mem controller, low temps, and hypertransport.

[hulabaleet]

Originally posted by Sepht+Mar 9 2005, 01:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sepht @ Mar 9 2005, 01:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Vesper@Mar 8 2005, 06:24 PM
Get the AMD 64, and make sure you get a copy of Windows 64 Bit Edition, otherwise it would be pointless, it would still run like a 32 bit processor :P
what makes the AMD64 great is a lot more then the fact it can run 64..
even in 32bit mode(which 99.9% of people run), you get the on-board mem controller, low power usage, and the hypertransport bus.

Thats why they pwn Intel at games, not because of the 64bit, but because of the onboard mem controller, low temps, and hypertransport. [/b][/quote]
let me ask you a thinker&#39;s question
the number entitled to an amd CPU is a "Performance Rating" (PR)
so if you take a 3700+ amd 64 with 1 meg of cache and compare it to a 3700+ with 512k cache, would they perform as equals, given the matching "Performance rating"?
and given this, would a AMD Athlon xp 3200+ be the equal to a amd athlon 64 3200+??

P.S. amd athlon&#39;s with hyper transport run at a front side bus of 1600mhz&#33;&#33;(800x2), also, from what i understand, Hyper Transport is NOT the amd equivelant of Intel hyper threading, hyper threading has to do with the way the cpu processes fragments of information, whereas the Hyper transport refers to the 1600mhz FSB.. am i correct?

i&#39;ve also been wondering, when i overclock my CPU through BIOS it allows me to change my front side bus from a value of 190 to 280, and sisoft sandra says front side bus is 800x2... this confuses me... in WCPUID it says "internal clock: 2000mhz(or 2150 to 2200 when overclocked... which is 24/7)

please explain everything i asked... septh or anyone else who knows.

[Sepht]

Originally posted by hulabaleet@Mar 8 2005, 07:16 PM
the number entitled to an amd CPU is a "Performance Rating" (PR)
so if you take a 3700+ amd 64 with 1 meg of cache and compare it to a 3700+ with 512k cache, would they perform as equals, given the matching "Performance rating"?
and given this, would a AMD Athlon xp 3200+ be the equal to a amd athlon 64 3200+??

no, it would not. If it weren&#39;t for all the extra hardware based features added into the AMD64 over the AthlonXP(onboard mem controller being a big one) maybe it would be. But its not. Its like comparing 2.8ghz celerons with 2.8ghz p4s, of course the p4 is better.



P.S. amd athlon&#39;s with hyper transport run at a front side bus of 1600mhz&#33;&#33;(800x2), also, from what i understand, Hyper Transport is NOT the amd equivelant of Intel hyper threading, hyper threading has to do with the way the cpu processes fragments of information, whereas the Hyper transport refers to the 1600mhz FSB.. am i correct?

Yes, The hypertransport bus is a FSB and its also a parrel port that connects all the system componets, giving the system, and the chips a lot of bandwith to work with.(sketched description, its workable though)

In the server market(opterons and xeons) thats a big deal, the xeons get the I/O performance, but wiht the bandwith intensive programs, opterons get it. when it gets to the dual cores, that bandwith should come in handy really fast.

Intel&#39;s Hyperthreading is basically 2 queue&#39;s per processer.
With a normal cpu, instructions are put into a queue, with HT, you are given 2 queues, so you can run multiple apps faster.You&#39;ll have (hypotheticall) Photoshop feeding on one queue, and have your CD burning working off another queue, so you can work with many apps faster. If a certain program knows how to divide itself(few programs have that programmed into it), it can take advantage of it. But you won&#39;t see performance increases per app, just when your working witha lot of apps


i&#39;ve also been wondering, when i overclock my CPU through BIOS it allows me to change my front side bus from a value of 190 to 280, and sisoft sandra says front side bus is 800x2... this confuses me... in WCPUID it says "internal clock: 2000mhz(or 2150 to 2200 when overclocked... which is 24/7)

Don&#39;t push it so high,
Your FSB is quad or even 2xquad streamed.
my FSB is 800 as the intel says it.
Technically its 200, but since its quadpiped, thats 4@200, coming out to 800.
Your CPU&#39;s clock, for me, say 2.8gh, is just your FSBxA multiplier.
Multipliers can&#39;t be changed outside the factory(anymore, beta versions of chips and old versions of chips had it unlocked)
For me its 200mhz FSBxa multiplier of 14=2800mhz, 2.8ghz
good program to get all this info: CPU-Z (http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpu-z-127.zip)

EDIT: WCPUID ain&#39;t bad.. i just tried it

The system bus should say your FSB(800 for me) and then have some letters. QDR is what i got. Quadruple or something like that is what it means probably. System clock is 200.

[DR4G0N]

it will be all god if intel will be cheaper
oh and i read in some magazine that intel wil do a cpu wiht 64-bit
but the price will be for one .... you now too expensive
if they just could lower thier price for just a 20-25 bucks it will be great
then i think intel will be much more buyed then amd
i write that what i heared

[DR4G0N]

Ups i forgot to ask
where i can get a tool to overclock my cpu
bytheway i have Intel P4 2000
and how much i can overclock it for about 600mhz up that i will have then 2600mhz
??
please can somebody tell me becuse i am searching this program for a long time


tnx in advance ;)

[Akherousin]

There is no program for overclocking your CPU.

If you want to overclock your CPU and know nothing about it, look through this guide. (http://www.overclock.net/showthread.php?t=1567)

WARNING: Overclocking can damage your CPU&#33;

[DR4G0N]

don t have a single clue i have asus motherboard but when i in bios i set from 2.0 to 2.6
my system at the start hang then i must shutdown my computer and turn it on again then i get in bios
but i dont understand it just a problem in mhz clock i think it was 100&#092;33 or something like that
what that means oh yea and if i change form 2.0 to manual it hangs again
i think then is 133&#092;33
so i am asking what that means
i new to overcloaking

[mart]

What do u change in bios? 100/33 is FSB/PCI-speed.
FSB x Multiplicator = corespeed (200x10 = 2000 Mhz)

btw @ septh:

Shadow ops was a game that added extra features unlocked only if you had a AMD-64.


The features are enabled at Intel Pentium IV Processors as well, if they are 64 Bit CPU&#39;s.
So Pentium 4 (775): 6x0 series (with EMT64)
Intel (http://www.intel.com/products/processor/pentium4/index.htm)

(It could be done in 32 Bit, of course)

[DR4G0N]

wow nice
i heared that if you overclock your cpu may damage more than just a cpu
this is ...
damn it i will must wait for new computer
ok let s wait

[DR4G0N]

i made it
i just overclock my cpu for a 44mhz wow quite a big number for me heh
if i overclock my cpu just for a 1mhz more the system start to hang up
now i have 2044mhz
jesus

[hulabaleet]

Originally posted by DR4G0N@Mar 13 2005, 11:48 PM
i made it
i just overclock my cpu for a 44mhz wow quite a big number for me heh
if i overclock my cpu just for a 1mhz more the system start to hang up
now i have 2044mhz
jesus
from what i read ur really not smart, and since its sketchy to overclock even if u know what your doing, my advice is sdont overclock at all, that 44mhz isnt gona do much of anything besides decrease the life span of ur cpu.

[-Deadly-]

Originally posted by DR4G0N@Mar 12 2005, 12:36 PM
don t have a single clue i have asus motherboard but when i in bios i set from 2.0 to 2.6
my system at the start hang then i must shutdown my computer and turn it on again then i get in bios
but i dont understand it just a problem in mhz clock i think it was 100&#092;33 or something like that
what that means oh yea and if i change form 2.0 to manual it hangs again
i think then is 133&#092;33
so i am asking what that means
i new to overcloaking
jumping from 2.0 to 2.6 is not a good idea at all :thumbdown:

Slow and steady are the rules of overclocking :lol:

Never increase your FSB speed to much at once. :)

Also, and quite importantly, you need decent Ram (high speed good quality, good CAS times) to overclock properly :thumbup:

[DR4G0N]

hmm then overclocking my cpu isnt good idea this means is better ro lower it down back to 2.0
hmmm
anyway 44mhz it s nothig

[-Deadly-]

For what you are gaining (f&#39;All) i would not bother ;)

[3izzarre]

DR4GON your best off leaving your proc as it is and saving for a shiny new skt 939 chip.
btw you can edit your posts,you know that right ;)

[Ark-Angel-04]

i got my ram in the black dual channel slot there r 2 blue 1s aswell so might ii have them
in the wrong 1s i still think i need more ram though

i got 2x 256mb corsairxl @2522
asus a8v deluxe rev2 (939) bios 1009 :crybaby:

o well and stick with amd 64bit
and geforce cards untill the new ati 1s come out :thumbup:

[DR4G0N]

yeah i will wait
for amd-64

[CpTn_lAw]

Hey there&#33;&#33; :D
I know AMD is better for gaming, the 64-3200+ is very good for the price/quality yield, its fast, it runs 64 bit applications and is very cool for gaming. The 64-3500+ is i guess great but if you want to take the high end processors, take a FX-53...It will cost you the skin of the ass, but you&#39;ll be fine every where.
On the Pentium side, well if you take one, you have to be sure it has the HT. In this case, take a P4 HT on the new socket @ 3.4 or 3.6 Ghz. The problem of the Pentium is that the applications runs great, but sometimes it takes a few seconds to make what an AMD would make instantly. (especially in-game)
You want to buy a Geforce 6600gt , than you need a CPU that rocks loads of infos, not to get a bottlenecks concerning the performances.

[mart]

Originally posted by CpTn_lAw@Mar 16 2005, 03:02 PM
The 64-3500+ is i guess great but if you want to take the high end processors, take a FX-53...
The problem of the Pentium is that the applications runs great, but sometimes it takes a few seconds to make what an AMD would make instantly. (especially in-game)

Why he should pay 150 € more for a CPU only 3-6 % faster then the 64-3500?
FX cpu&#39;s arent really a recommend, because they are expensive and not so much faster, they promise.
(It&#39;s the same with the Pentium 4 EE series - 500 € more and 10% more speed - not a relation)

Never heard, that Pentium4 take some seconds before doing some things.
3 friends of me are owners of a P4 (2.8, 3.2 Ghz) and they never told me of problems with games or speed.

If u read it somewhere post a link&#33;

[MRKI]

Originally posted by KamisoriX@Feb 28 2005, 01:52 AM
64 Bit is only good if there are 64 Bit aplications.
You can run 32 bit apps. on 64 bit windows, 32 emulator is installed into OS.
:P

[Ark-Angel-04]

:thumbup: yeh 64bit pc r faster we all no this now lol
but fxs r better but not for the price i got a 3500 (939)winchester
and it kicks butt.

though it would be better to get a fx they should be coming down in price soon any way
heres an example i over clocked my pro by bios auto @10 percent thats 2400mhz :dennis:
and i overclocked my xfx geforcegt card to 416/1120 and got a score of 71233 in aquamark03
now in a mag i saw a fx53 with a gig of ram i only got 512 and a ultra card and it got 7276
and your talking alot more money there

though i do have some probs not sure what they r yet games like farcry will run sluggish some times and so does hl2 got all the latset drivers and all get good scores but some games run crappy ummmmny ideas any 1 im using 71.90 drivers. :thumbdown:

[DR4G0N]

i allmost forgot to ask
when is some games like in medal of honor :pacifik assult
when is show intel pentium ht
if i will have amd64 i will get same or better or worse performance
?

[DR4G0N]

does anyone knows when win 64 will be out?

[asshat]

Originally posted by DR4G0N@Mar 31 2005, 09:27 AM
does anyone knows when win 64 will be out?
not for a long time, so i wouldn&#39;t even worry about a 64 bit cpu at this point in time, why do u think intel hasn&#39;t come out with a 64bit cpu? cause theres no need,AMD is too ahead of themselves........I&#39;ve played half life 2 and doom3 with my friends amd 64bit and my P4,we both have the same gfx card(9800 pro)as well, and I can&#39;t tell a single difference in performance.......Intel P4 with 800 fsb is plenty of power for any recent game. but if you can get an amd for less than a P4, I guess it makes since to get one right?
B)

[-Deadly-]

Originally posted by gatekeeper@Apr 7 2005, 04:48 PM
why do u think intel hasn&#39;t come out with a 64bit cpu? cause theres no need
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/2...235246&from=rss (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/22/0235246&from=rss) :rolleyes:

[AntiHero]

Windows 64 bit is out now, and no im not talking about the beta.

[-Deadly-]

Hmmmm, i thought it was due for release at the end of the month :unsure: