Simple vid card question!

[Matt22]

Ive been on these forums several times about video cards but many things have happend with me and PCs since, so I am coming back for more advice.

I currently have a Geforce 4 MX and a copy of Brothers in Arms sitting on my desktop - So I am an unhappy bunny not being able to play!!

I need to get a vid card.... Now this is a striaght-forward question:

Is the 128MB NVidia GeForce 6600 AGP 8x DDR 128-Bit DVI TV Out
better than the ATI Radeon 9600 XT 128/256mb?

[Lord_Behemoth]

6600

[mart]

Yes, the 6600GT is as double so fast like the 9600 XT.

[Matt22]

No not the GT, just the plain 6600, is it better than the ATI Radeon 9600 XT?

And, I know it sounds like an exam, but Can you give reasons for your answers?

[mart]

6600 also better then 9600Xt.

But pay 50 € (or $ or what the hell - er gamershell) more to get much more perf.
see benchs (http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/hardware/grafikkarten/2004/nvidia_geforce_6600-serie/7/#abschnitt_spielebenchmarks) for some benchmarks. X600 is 9600 XT!

more (http://www.tomshardware.de/graphic/20040910/geforce6600-performance-03.html)
more2 (http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Previews/6600bench1/)

[LoneStrider]

yes the 6600 is better than the 9600XT
the xt though is a good card, but isn't great.

[Akherousin]

If you go the cheap way and buy a 6600 instead of a 6600gt, you will regret it in a month or two.
But it is faster, yes.

[Psycho Pigeon]

9600 XT 256mb ownsss(for the price)!.

[Matt22]

I'm gonna go for the 6600 GT which is £127 (About $254)

So do you think this one is a good deal....

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo...roductID=174171 (http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=174171)


(If you cant see the page, the card is called: 128Mb Gigabyte GV-N66T128D 6600GT, 500MHz, 1000MHz, AGP8X,8x32-2 DDR III,DirectX 9.0c,DVI-I, TV-OUT)

[SprigganX]

Yes that is pretty good, you should go for it.

[Matt22]

Oh but there are so many places to buy it!
ahhhhhhhhh


Look... here > http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/cop...of_6600_GT.html (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/copy_of_6600_GT.html)
a whole PAGE of 6600 GT's but different prices.. god knows which one to choose


And the same again here > http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Products.as...eywords=6600+GT (http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Products.asp?CatID=15&Category=Graphics+Cards&ThumbNails=Yes&FilterCategories=264&FilterMinPrice=&FilterMaxPrice=&FilterKeywords=6600+GT) - scroll down


And one last one:
http://www.pcnextday.co.uk/product_detail....GPNV&pgroup=VID (http://www.pcnextday.co.uk/product_detail.asp?stype=5&productcode=1511-4060&group=AGPNV&pgroup=VID)




Can somone help me pick out the best of the best in those links?
I thank you for your help so far but i still need it!

[Strawberry knight]

I thought you already got a new PC and a new card last year when we helped you :Oo:

I can't chose the best card out of all those many cause I don't have that time, sorry, however i can give you tips so you can minimize that list and present to us with fewer cards.

1) DDR3 or GDDR3 are better, but cost more.
2) Try looking for a card that has a massive cooler on it, thus over clocking will only be better.
3) Try picking from companies you have heard before, thus increasing your cards reliability.
4) Higher clock rates are always welcome, ergo: Core 500+ and Memory 1000+ (in MHz)

I wanted to buy a 6600GT from "Point of view" they have good cards and good games that comes with it (Hitmen 3, FarCry and prince of Persia)

Now, browse and have fun, cause that's the best game :D

[Matt22]

Ok right, thanks.

I have narrowed it down to these 4 >

1. http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo...roductID=161438 (http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=161438)

2. http://www.pcnextday.co.uk/product_detail....GPNV&pgroup=VID (http://www.pcnextday.co.uk/product_detail.asp?stype=5&productcode=1511-4060&group=AGPNV&pgroup=VID)

3. http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo...roductID=174171 (http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=174171)

4. http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/cop...of_6600_GT.html (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/copy_of_6600_GT.html) (The 5th one down)



Could I just take a few more moments of your time to ask you which is THE BEST out of these (Dont worry about pricing, they are all a good deal in price)

[Strawberry knight]

Ok, forget about the second one.

The first one doesn't have enough details.

The 3rd one is using DRR3, not GDDR3 as you can get with other cards (faster response time for memory=faster game play and better over clocking)

On the last page, the second one is good, and the last one is good too.

If you can get the Point of View GeForce 6600 GT, get it :D

[uLLved]

I have a 9600XT and the GPU speed on that is 500MHz and memory is at 600 DDR2...
Now I don't know if youre talking bout the memory on the cards cuz I've checked and I haven't seen any card with faster GPU than 500MHz :Oo: '

or maybe it's just me

[Strawberry knight]

I meant not below 500 :D

[uLLved]

w00t? :Oo:

j00 totally lost me there :P

[Strawberry knight]

You talking to me ? :D

[Psycho Pigeon]

oo those ones you've selected are abit pricey i've seen them for cheaper and you would save atleast £30-£40, don't want you getting conned now!. :D Have a wicked day :D


EDIT** Matt please stop bombarding me with PM's and sending me racist emails, so damn childish. And the people in my sig are Metallica not ' abunch of peado's ' ....

[Matt22]

If you can get the Point of View GeForce 6600 GT, get it

I've found it! here > http://www.gladiatorcomputers.com/acatalog...GRAPOV6600GTAGP (http://www.gladiatorcomputers.com/acatalog/NVidia_AGP_Graphics_Cards.html#AGRAPOV6600GTAGP)
(Click your scrollbar half the way down and you should see it)


Now this other one from GigaByte here > http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo...roductID=174171 (http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=174171)
Is much cheaper (I dont mind about not having FarCry!)

The Specs are nearly all same on both of them except a few things:

GigaByte:
Memory Speed: 1000MHz
DDR 3

Point of View:
Memory Speed: 900 MHz
GDDR 3 (I checked manufacturer site)



So...what to do...what to do.... :crybaby:

[hulabaleet]

don't get point of view its crappy.
that guy is a fool and fell for the added software trick.
point of view may as well be a generic brand.
stick with brands like EVGA, gigabyte , and XFX
by the way, if it ships to where you live,
www.newegg.com is the best bet.

and by the way, just bc ur gpu has a high core clock does not mean it is good.
9600's have a shortage on pipelines, something like 4.
9800PROs have 8, and also have slower clockspeeds than 9600XT, but are better regardless.
my 9800pro is awesome, and a 6600GT is even better. have fun with that.

[Psycho Pigeon]

newegg.com don't ship to the UK. And matt, why are you always saying you know more when you are still stuck?.

[Matt22]

hey hulabaleet what do you think about this one then > http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-150-085&depa=0 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-150-085&depa=0)

Would that work in the UK?

[Strawberry knight]

Originally posted by hulabaleet@Mar 22 2005, 02:47 AM
don't get point of view its crappy.
that guy is a fool and fell for the added software trick.
point of view may as well be a generic brand.
stick with brands like EVGA, gigabyte , and XFX
by the way, if it ships to where you live,
www.newegg.com is the best bet.

and by the way, just bc ur gpu has a high core clock does not mean it is good.
9600's have a shortage on pipelines, something like 4.
9800PROs have 8, and also have slower clockspeeds than 9600XT, but are better regardless.
my 9800pro is awesome, and a 6600GT is even better. have fun with that.
Did you even try it? (And no, I didn't fell for nothing, the card is simply good)

Point of view is a better choice between those two that Matt22 asked for, because of the memory type (GDDR3) the 900Mhz is easy to make 1000mhz+ so i don't see the problem in that, moreover you will get a much better performance comparing to Gigabytes DDR3 memory type while over clocked to 1000mhz. (faster access rate)

And matt22, the XFX one is the same as POV's card, However POV has a bigger cooler.
NOTE: XFX comes with 2 DVI connections, POV comes with 1 DVI and one normal connection. (The blue thingy)

[Matt22]

Ah omg, back to square one.
I dont know who to belive, but GrimReaper seems to know what hes talking about.

Either way, Grim could you take a look at the one I posted above (from newegg) and tell me if its a pownage card?
Will it work in england?

[Akherousin]

Originally posted by Matt22@Mar 22 2005, 02:40 PM
Will it work in england?
Of course. :)

[Ark-Angel-04]

what is your budget i would say the 1 u posted is good
but if u can afford it get a 6800 they r not any more than 200 and r a lot better
stick with XFX they r a good brand i got 1 a XFX 6800GT and it overclocks really good 2

but have u had a look on WWW.OVERCLOCKERS.CO.UK
i get ever thing off there really good site and good prices. :smartass:

[Matt22]

Overclockers is a strange site for graphics cards...I dont want to buy there.

Im aware of the 6800 but no, I cant afford it, lol who would buy a 6600 GT when they have enough for a 6800! a mad man! thats who!

Either way, Grim could you take a look at this one [ http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-150-085&depa=0 ] and tell me if its a pownage card, in releation to what cards we've look at so far, the POV, etc...


I thank you all for your responses, but I would like Grim to answer this one :D

[mart]

Why only grim should answer?
Trust me!
OK, but he can't answer if the Link doesn't work! So man correct it.
Er, u wanna tell us u can pay a 6600 (150 €) but can't pay 200 € for 6600 GT or 6800 LE?
"Work, work, work." It's worth the money u have to pay for it more.

[Matt22]

Dude im not asking people to tell me to work, your post wasnt needed.


I'll repost my last post:


Overclockers is a strange site for graphics cards...I dont want to buy there.

Im aware of the 6800 but no, I cant afford it, lol who would buy a 6600 GT when they have enough for a 6800! a mad man! thats who!

Either way, Grim could you take a look at this one [ http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-150-085&depa=0 ] and tell me if its a pownage card, in releation to what cards we've look at so far, the POV, etc...


I thank you all for your responses, but I would like Grim to answer this one

[Strawberry knight]

If you are talking about the XFX, it's basically the same card as POV's. However:

XFX has its own cooler, POV uses the original NVIDIA coolers (on older cards, like the TI series and perhaps some FX series cards are better of with a different cooler) the cooler isn't bad, it's big and covering the memory nicely enough.

Both cards can over clock even more, so you practically get the same scores (of over clocking) because they seem to use the same memory. However, once again the clock rates will be dependent on the cooler it self, as for how much it can cool.

The biggest difference is the connection type to the monitor, XFX uses DVI connections ONLY (it has 2 of them), make sure your monitor supports this kind of connection. (Just look at the picture on Newegg, and compare)
POV uses two types, the DVI and the standard blue connection, which I forgot how it has called.

Both cards are good; pick the one you think looks nicer. (Or with to proper connection)
I'll go for the POV, but that's just me :D

[mart]

I´think every card with 2 DVI-outputs has minimum one adapter to switch it to VGA-output (blue)

@ Matt: I haven't said u must work, i only wanted start u thinkin about paying 50 € more for at least 30-50 % more performance.

[Strawberry knight]

Originally posted by mart@Mar 23 2005, 08:02 PM
I´think every card with 2 DVI-outputs has minimum one adapter to switch it to VGA-output (blue)
Yes he can find a convertor of some kind :D

[Magus]

but converters cost money, and can sometimes.. give badder experience with the card, 1 dvi and 1 vga output is much handier., but thats my 20 cents

[embracedeath]

Simple answer.... Use Google. Seriously, it is your friend.

[Matt22]

lol, anyway I'm totaly screwed with what to do!


I want a 6600GT AGP card for about £100 to £145

I have searched for ages and turned up some results, can anyone recommend me what to do next?

if you scroll up in the topic you will see what i posted, and on the first page too

[Lord_Behemoth]

Originally posted by Matt22@Mar 24 2005, 10:10 PM
lol, anyway I'm totaly screwed with what to do!


I want a 6600GT AGP card for about £100 to £145

I have searched for ages and turned up some results, can anyone recommend me what to do next?

if you scroll up in the topic you will see what i posted, and on the first page too
I think it would be about time to buy one. show us our results... and we'll pick one for you

[Psycho Pigeon]

Yeh matt com'n you've spent enough time kafaffeling about, you've been spamming me on msn for the last week saying you bought one, what the hell don't harrass me if you do not know what your own about.

[embracedeath]

Originally posted by Matt22@Mar 24 2005, 10:10 PM
I want a 6600GT AGP card for about £100 to £145

I have searched for ages and turned up some results, can anyone recommend me what to do next?


Like beating a dead horse...... Just pick one and buy it. They will be outdated soon anyways.

[Psycho Pigeon]

Yeh very good point embrace. Get it now matt rather than faff about when theres good cards coming out soon.

[Matt22]

Lord_Behemoth here is the list:

http://www.gladiatorcomputers.com/acatalog...GRAPOV6600GTAGP (http://www.gladiatorcomputers.com/acatalog/NVidia_AGP_Graphics_Cards.html#AGRAPOV6600GTAGP)

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc....-150-085&depa=0 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-150-085&depa=0)
(If you cant see the page then search for XFX 6600 GT AGP and its the first one at the top that comes up)




I dont really want to pay those prices and I certanly dont want prince of persia!

Could someone tell me if they think this is an ownage card > http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo...roductID=174171 (http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfoZoom.asp?WebProductID=174171)

It looks excellent and it has 1000 Mhz memory speed which is 100Mhz more than the Point of View one.
Its also cheaper, and its based in the UK so I will get a good guarantee.

[Akherousin]

This decision isn't gonna change your life so get the Gigabyte one as it looks promising and has a good price.

[Lord_Behemoth]

Well Matt22, here is the simple anwser you asked for.


Get the Gigabyte nVidia Geforce 6600GT


It is simply put, an excellent card and well worth the money.

[Matt22]

Thanks.

Thanks to everyone for their help! Long live Gamershell! :thumbup:

I'll go order it now, then I can finally play Brothers in Arms which has been on my desk for about a week! ROTTING!, finally I can lead my squad into northern france to make victory against hitlers forces of evil! mu ha

[mart]

only 43 answers later, we have a result :suicide: :crybaby: :thumbdown: :rant:

[Strawberry knight]

You should have said the price range from the start, otherwise we wouldn't be wasting time on those GDDR3 cards, ending up choosing the DDR3 one, which you can afford to buy.

[Matt22]

mart? and you are....

anyway thanks grim reaper you were a real help.
i should get my JUICEY new card on the 30th! ill salute the good people of this topic when I slot it into my AGP and make RID of that GeForce 440 MX 64mb by giving it to a friend coz hes only got a radeon 7000!

[Psycho Pigeon]

Why do you care who mart is, matt? i agree with him, although your being very hypocritcal considering the ammount of spam i get on msn from you saying you know more.

[Matt22]

Just wanted to say thanks again to everyone.
My card's coming on the 30th if anyone wants to know! Just PM me on the 30th and I will let you all know if its wrapped in BUBBLEWRAP!! :P

hmm where did all those others posts go...

[Psycho Pigeon]

I asked the admin to ' clean up ' as it were.

[Matt22]

Oh right, cool.