ATI or Nvidia or neither - Page 2

Arlecchino · 06-18-2004, 06:30 AM

I'm gonna have to go with NVidia simply because they've never let me down. Every computer (with the exception of my laptop) I've 'owned' for the past several years has had an NVidia chipset of some kind, and I've had absolutly no problems with any of them.

As far as the double slot thing and extra power supply goes (this seems to be a pretty big issue), I really don't mind it. NVidia uses a more aggressive cooling method than ATI does, which really has two implications. One being that you really won't get any kind of slowdown in your games due to the GPU core being too hot (mine has never risen above 75 degrees C even in an 8th floor dorm room with no AC

). Two, if ATI cards should actually be getting more power for their cooling system, it has the potential to damage your whole system. As to my understanding, when the card isn't getting enough voltage, it, and all the other parts of your computer, will self-correct for this lack of voltage by drawing more amps through the power supply. During a short time, this won't really effect too much of the computer equipment (unless you're really unlucky), but, over the long run, this carries the possiblity of burning out certain aspects of the system (it's a pretty big concern in hard-drives because of the motor used spin the disks).

ATI 9700 and 9800 did beat out NVidia's 5800 and 5900, but in this new race (6800 and X800), I'm gonna side with NVidia for two reasons. First, ATI was originally shooting for a 12 pixel pipeline until NVidia announced the 6800 would be given a 16 pixel pipeline, which really comes in handy during the rasterizer stage of the pipeline. Second, the 6800 is completely DirectX9.0c complatable, while the X800 'only' supports 9.0b. This won't really come into play until the new Unreal Engine hits the shelves, but, if you don't plan to upgrade again for a couple years, the 6800 is the one you'll want.

Finally, yeah, NVidia did cheat in benchmark programs, but so did ATI. ATI just didn't do it as... 'much'. Once all was said and done, NVidia's scores dropped about 90%, but ATI's scores dropped 10%. Keep in mind, though, cheating is cheating. ATI cheats in other ways that aren't immediatly as noticable. Before I start out on this topic, I'd like to point out that I'm not entirely sure how this works. My limited research (these articles aren't really as plentiful as they once were) has shown me that, in tests using anistropic filtering only a certain section of the screen is actually rendered using this algorithm. NVidia's area is a circle covering about half the screen, while ATI's is more of a 'star' shape covering about a third of the area that NVidia's cards do.

I'm gonna step off my soapbox now, but, if you're gonna post about a preference, please give your reasons why, not "Teh Nvidia cards is for n00bs".

Dennis S. · 06-18-2004, 06:59 AM

3dfx owns you :thumbup:

loserII · 06-18-2004, 09:32 AM

thought they stopped making 3dfx cards

so wouldn't they be bad?

DevilsFear · 06-26-2004, 03:46 PM

ATi....

Syanide · 06-26-2004, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dennis S.@Jun 18 2004, 07:59 AM
3dfx owns you :thumbup:

Dont you meen Nvidia, seen's they baught them out time ago!

White Dragon · 06-26-2004, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Syanide+Jun 26 2004, 06:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Syanide @ Jun 26 2004, 06:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Dennis S.@Jun 18 2004, 07:59 AM
3dfx owns youÂ* :thumbup:

Dont you meen Nvidia, seen's they baught them out time ago!

[/b][/quote]
3dfx wasent only Nvidia, i used to have a Classic Voodoo2 3dfx(wich wasent from Nvidia)

Akherousin · 06-27-2004, 08:18 PM

Atualy, 3dfx Cards never came from NVidia. They just bought 'em, and let they rot into the ruin.
So, 3dfx stopped producing cards after they were bought by NVidia.

*sighs and looks to the old Voodoo 1, 3 and 5*

They ruled.. long ago. Nowadays, I would say ATI is the best. No Issues with my 9700 and 9800 Pro yet.

06-27-2004, 10:03 PM

Wrong! 3DFX went bust due to the rubbish sales of its Voodoo brand... Nvidia purchased the intellectual property (IP) and employed some of the engineers when 3DFX were long gone!

DevilsFear · 06-28-2004, 02:59 PM

Nvidia ... sucks :bucky!:
VooDoo sucks even more :bucky!: :bucky!:
ATi ... Owns all

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Akherousin is on the 5th circle: Wrath & Sullenness Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Zurich, Switzerland Posts: 1,898 Hellbux: 2,895 TraumaticA	Atualy, 3dfx Cards never came from NVidia. They just bought 'em, and let they rot into the ruin. So, 3dfx stopped producing cards after they were bought by NVidia. sighs and looks to the old Voodoo 1, 3 and 5 They ruled.. long ago. Nowadays, I would say ATI is the best. No Issues with my 9700 and 9800 Pro yet. __________________

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DevilsFear is on the 3rd circle: Gluttony Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Tokyo Posts: 435 Hellbux: 7,014	Nvidia ... sucks :bucky!: VooDoo sucks even more :bucky!: :bucky!: ATi ... Owns all __________________ Fool! All we do in hell is play Seiken Densetsu 3! /Satan

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06-18-2004, 06:30 AM	#11 (permalink)
Arlecchino is on the 1st circle: Limbo Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 4 Hellbux: 543	I'm gonna have to go with NVidia simply because they've never let me down. Every computer (with the exception of my laptop) I've 'owned' for the past several years has had an NVidia chipset of some kind, and I've had absolutly no problems with any of them. As far as the double slot thing and extra power supply goes (this seems to be a pretty big issue), I really don't mind it. NVidia uses a more aggressive cooling method than ATI does, which really has two implications. One being that you really won't get any kind of slowdown in your games due to the GPU core being too hot (mine has never risen above 75 degrees C even in an 8th floor dorm room with no AC ). Two, if ATI cards should actually be getting more power for their cooling system, it has the potential to damage your whole system. As to my understanding, when the card isn't getting enough voltage, it, and all the other parts of your computer, will self-correct for this lack of voltage by drawing more amps through the power supply. During a short time, this won't really effect too much of the computer equipment (unless you're really unlucky), but, over the long run, this carries the possiblity of burning out certain aspects of the system (it's a pretty big concern in hard-drives because of the motor used spin the disks). ATI 9700 and 9800 did beat out NVidia's 5800 and 5900, but in this new race (6800 and X800), I'm gonna side with NVidia for two reasons. First, ATI was originally shooting for a 12 pixel pipeline until NVidia announced the 6800 would be given a 16 pixel pipeline, which really comes in handy during the rasterizer stage of the pipeline. Second, the 6800 is completely DirectX9.0c complatable, while the X800 'only' supports 9.0b. This won't really come into play until the new Unreal Engine hits the shelves, but, if you don't plan to upgrade again for a couple years, the 6800 is the one you'll want. Finally, yeah, NVidia did cheat in benchmark programs, but so did ATI. ATI just didn't do it as... 'much'. Once all was said and done, NVidia's scores dropped about 90%, but ATI's scores dropped 10%. Keep in mind, though, cheating is cheating. ATI cheats in other ways that aren't immediatly as noticable. Before I start out on this topic, I'd like to point out that I'm not entirely sure how this works. My limited research (these articles aren't really as plentiful as they once were) has shown me that, in tests using anistropic filtering only a certain section of the screen is actually rendered using this algorithm. NVidia's area is a circle covering about half the screen, while ATI's is more of a 'star' shape covering about a third of the area that NVidia's cards do. I'm gonna step off my soapbox now, but, if you're gonna post about a preference, please give your reasons why, not "Teh Nvidia cards is for n00bs".

06-18-2004, 09:32 AM	#13 (permalink)
loserII is on the 4th circle: Avarice & Prodigality Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Aussie Posts: 999 Hellbux: 13,595	thought they stopped making 3dfx cards so wouldn't they be bad?

06-27-2004, 10:03 PM	#18 (permalink)
GM™ Posts: n/a Hellbux: 0 [Check]	Wrong! 3DFX went bust due to the rubbish sales of its Voodoo brand... Nvidia purchased the intellectual property (IP) and employed some of the engineers when 3DFX were long gone!