gforce 6-series

I will say that the ATI drivers can be unstable and often times can/will lock your pc.
ATI is aware of their regular driver problems and have written a specific tool that can be run when you find your system totally unstable and you need to rollback your drivers, this to me is a sign that they are aware of their drivers (at least in the past) caused havok with a lot of people's systems.

ATI Uninstall utilities

That being said, I'm a fan of both companies, I have both Nvidia and ATI. If we (as consumers) didn't have both competing against each other we would have much higher prices, less technological breakthroughs and probably lesser quality.

Originally posted by pr0cs@Oct 20 2004, 08:17 PM
I will say that the ATI drivers can be unstable and often times can/will lock your pc.
ATI is aware of their regular driver problems and have written a specific tool that can be run when you find your system totally unstable and you need to rollback your drivers, this to me is a sign that they are aware of their drivers (at least in the past) caused havok with a lot of people's systems.

ATI Uninstall utilities

That being said, I'm a fan of both companies, I have both Nvidia and ATI. If we (as consumers) didn't have both competing against each other we would have much higher prices, less technological breakthroughs and probably lesser quality.

Yep, this is right.

If you don't have competition then there is less to strive for ;)

As i said earlier, ATI drivers can be inconsistant, which can be a real pain :rant:

It seems to me that ATI don't hold out much hope for all their driver updates. otherwise why would they write a GoBack tool?

I am not anti ATI, but Nvidia seem to be better with decent driver updates.

And at the end of the day t's not just about framerate!

Originally posted by pr0cs@Oct 20 2004, 01:17 PM
I will say that the ATI drivers can be unstable and often times can/will lock your pc.
ATI is aware of their regular driver problems and have written a specific tool that can be run when you find your system totally unstable and you need to rollback your drivers, this to me is a sign that they are aware of their drivers (at least in the past) caused havok with a lot of people's systems.

ATI Uninstall utilities

That being said, I'm a fan of both companies, I have both Nvidia and ATI. If we (as consumers) didn't have both competing against each other we would have much higher prices, less technological breakthroughs and probably lesser quality.

Gotta love the competition... but I dropped nvidia BECAUSE of their drivers..they were so horrible with me..I(on my old box) am sitll be the 4 series because the 5s and 6s lock up even fresh windows installs if I tried to play a D3D game. (ATi hasn't caused a single issue for me until these 4.10's and CoD)

ATi has been much more consistant with their drivers then nvidia ever has for myself.

Nvidias driver releases I dread and am scared about.. ATis I have nothing but performance jump hopes, and now a fix for my CoD.. anyhow.. ATi seems to be more consistant with my hardware.

The hardware scene changes monthly and bimonthly, each main driver release jumps these new cards 5-20% im performance. And they seems to unviel new cards every 2 months..

X700 looks good once it ships.. 150 bucks for that perforamnce? hell yeh.

If u wanna bring image quality into this.. they are quite equal until u turn on optimizing features on Nvidias....

That would be nice to be able to get a X700 for that price ;)
It will most likely ship over here in the U.K. for £150.00, which is 272.00 USD.

Not quite the same deal eh! :nxs:

to each his own I guess, I think we can safely agree though that the more manufacturers the better it is for us consumers

they are quite equal until u turn on optimizing features on Nvidias

I think this used to be true but since the GF-FX and GF6 series I don't think there is any noticable difference in picture quality.

Originally posted by pr0cs@Oct 21 2004, 03:46 AM
to each his own I guess, I think we can safely agree though that the more manufacturers the better it is for us consumers

I think this used to be true but since the GF-FX and GF6 series I don't think there is any noticable difference in picture quality.

With normal setting Image Quality is dead on with the the 6 vs X.
FX vs 9xxx ATi takes it

But even in the 6 vs X... when you turn on nvidia's optomization feature.. there is (crap i can't spell optimization for shit..) a slight decrease... I'd recommend turning them off. However on ATi its just shader swaps.. so the image quality is dead on..

Damn I wish I could do one of those black/white discrepancy image comparison sheets...but i don't know how

Damn I wish I could do one of those black/white discrepancy image comparison sheets...but i don't know how

Yeah but if you have to go to the detail of making an offset map is it really worth debating that Card XXX has an image advantage over Card YYY? I mean, if you can't see any noticable artifacts when eyeballing screenshots I don't see how it's really a big issue.
You may be right in regards to image quality on that level but for me that wouldn't be a 'buy' or 'not buy' type decision. I'd make price, performance and support (drivers) my biggest issues.
I think if ATI can improve their drivers further (especially in the OpenGL realm) they will have a heads up on Nvidia but for me, now, ATI is behind Nvidia at this point.

Originally posted by pr0cs@Oct 21 2004, 01:22 PM

Yeah but if you have to go to the detail of making an offset map is it really worth debating that Card XXX has an image advantage over Card YYY? I mean, if you can't see any noticable artifacts when eyeballing screenshots I don't see how it's really a big issue.
You may be right in regards to image quality on that level but for me that wouldn't be a 'buy' or 'not buy' type decision. I'd make price, performance and support (drivers) my biggest issues.
I think if ATI can improve their drivers further (especially in the OpenGL realm) they will have a heads up on Nvidia but for me, now, ATI is behind Nvidia at this point.

Its the other way around over here. Just a little note on ATi.. they need to figure their shit out.. some of the features of the 807 beta fix.. like the mem allocation issue. WEREN'T PUT INTO THE 4.10.. I think ATi needs to tie their stuff together.. but as for drivers.. more stable, more powerful, more versatile.

nVidia still has me running the 4 series on my GF4.. 5s and 6s f-up the performance.