512MB Sapphire X1950PRO

I'm not trying to pass off the intel series as inferiour. I'm just stating that the difference in price is a huge setback to the quality of every other item you might purchase along with it. 80-90 euro's simply make too much of a difference on the quality of your other products. It might make some guy choose to save on his psu which is exteremly important to the overall stability and speed of your system.

Adding another few euro's for a non standard cooler might make the guy decide to go with cl 5.0 instead of 4 and the list goes on. All I am saying is that the fastest isn't perse the best atm. I remember GM asking over msn for advice on a new motorcycle. I showed him some and gave him advice on what he might consider getting for that money. I also showed him my brandnew Honda cbr 600 rr which far surpassed his budget, but I never told him to put his money aside cause prices drop every day

I totally agree with you slay! There is a C2D at every price point and you could build a fantastic system for only a little more than a complete AMD setup, because its only the CPU thats going to be marginally cheaper. Also, Gazz might like to know that the CPU is the most important factor when building a PC, buying an AMD chip will hinder all of the other components (in comparison to C2D), because they all rely on the CPU. Your CAS4 RAM isnt going to make your AMD that much quicker, in comparison for the extra calculations per clock the CPU will give you.

Oh and in regards to backing up my claims!:

Wikipedia:
The Graphics Processing Unit is based on the NVIDIA G70 (previously known as NV47) architecture, which focuses on maximizing per-pixel computation in favor of raw pixel output. The GPU will make use of 256-MB GDDR3 VRAM clocked at 700 MHz. The GPU has access to the XDR main memory as well.

The G70 product is actually the 7800GTX 256Mb. It is common knowledge and has been for some time. Anyone who knows 3D graphics knows the 360's XENOS architecture is far superior to the PS3 Nvidia solution. Its just the PS3 CPUs are faster, if a little bit less refined.

No, when on a budget a fast cpu isn't the most important factor of a pc. The most important factor of a budgetpc used for gaming is stability and by just giving someone the advice of getting the fastest cpu or basing your system on just one brand clooses the vision and potential of a market.

I already have huge issues with the fact that we try to get speed out of hardware instead of software. Up till this point even the 64 bit technology hasn't been mastered and already were producing "faster" hardware to compensate for the lack of softwaresupport (thanks Microsoft for closing the market for all other os's, this really benefits pcgamers...not.)

I was aware of the gpu in the PS3 being based on the nv47, but fail to see why this altered version doesn't have a unified structure. Afterall based on doesn't mean carbon copy, it seemed like the best thing to do for Nvidia to use a well tested product as a basis anyway.

Originally posted by Gazz@Jan 14 2007, 05:08 PM
I'm not trying to pass off the intel series as inferiour. I'm just stating that the difference in price is a huge setback to the quality of every other item you might purchase along with it. 80-90 euro's simply make too much of a difference on the quality of your other products. It might make some guy choose to save on his psu which is exteremly important to the overall stability and speed of your system.

Adding another few euro's for a non standard cooler might make the guy decide to go with cl 5.0 instead of 4 and the list goes on. All I am saying is that the fastest isn't perse the best atm. I remember GM asking over msn for advice on a new motorcycle. I showed him some and gave him advice on what he might consider getting for that money. I also showed him my brandnew Honda cbr 600 rr which far surpassed his budget, but I never told him to put his money aside cause prices drop every day

While I appreciate your effort, it's mostly just babble. I think GM
pretty much covered it. As for your cycle knowledge. Good. I'm
glad you helped GM out. But were not talking motorcycles at
the moment. HeHeHe :-)

Fine, if you guys agree on that it's fine with me. I think one can only spend a euro once and should carefully spend that on the best component money can buy and that doesn't just go for the cpu. Same goes for the motorcycleanology, no matter that my cbr 600 is way faster then any type in his priceclass. If his budget only covers a somewaht slower but still great bike I'll advise him on the best value for money and not keep some benchmarks of a unafordable bike in mind.

Next point then, how about I suggest the original poster to get a 1650 pro (if he has agp) and use the extra money for some mem or a x-fi card.

Well he hasn't told us what the rest of his system is. He may
or may not need that stuff. But it's an idea :-)

1650 Pro is fooking awful... I got one in my work PC. It cannot cope with old games like Farcry and Doom3, so there is little hope of it running anything current. I would go for the Nvidia 7800 if you absolutely have to buy something now, because that has better fillrate performance.

I would defo save your pennies and wait a few more weeks for some concrete info on the new ATI and jump at some better hardware with the expected pricecuts.

Sorry, too drunk too really think that much last night. I'd go for the xfx 7600 gt xxx cause it's the best money can buy in that midrange. Anyway, Slaymate is right..it's just pure speculation.

Yeah LOL, he hasnt even posted again in this thread. I think we scared him off.

ATI has released an x1950 pro for AGP. I had heard ATI was coming out with some newer AGP cards due to Vista coming out (still a lot of people with AGP out there who'd like a better graphic card for running Vista). A few sites have it. It should be $260-$300ish and dominates any other AGP graphic card.