AMD's DX10 is not up to scratch

Pff, these tactics are as old and stinky as the underwear I am wearing right now. Nividia did the same on numerous ocassions.Too bad both Ati and Nvidia reduce themselves to these types of tactics

Yeah thats kind of my point. When are we going to get a definitive DX10 benchmark?

I will add to this, as I believe a lot of people miss the point.

The latest r600 based GPU is excellent for games and so is the 8800GTS. They are mainstream products and the difference between the two different technologies relates to only a few frames per second. Most users will be hard pushed to see the difference between the two when playing the latest games,

I am just disgruntled, because I own a 8800GTX (Second one is in the post) and I pay maximum dollar for the absolute creme de la creme. I expect top dollar performance. Remarkably, I have spent what equates to £800 on a gfx setup only for the mass market to consider their £300 purchase to be significantly better based on one demo. Techland owe a great deal to Nvidia as they held Techland's hand throughout the development/release of Call of Juarez and earlier releases like Chrome and that shitty rally game and recent spin-offs.

Boo-Hoo to Techland. Chome2 can fook itself for all I care.

ATI/AMD just suck, and there drivers suck. There best card can only compete
in the mid-range video card arena and there trying desperately to boost there
sales by any means available. They have absolutely no concerns about the
consumer, being us, and our game playing experience. I luv my 8800GTX's.

Originally posted by Slaymate@Jun 16 2007, 01:16 AM
ATI/AMD just suck, and there drivers suck. There best card can only compete
in the mid-range video card arena and there trying desperately to boost there
sales by any means available. They have absolutely no concerns about the
consumer, being us, and our game playing experience. I luv my 8800GTX's.

The best money can be made in the mid range and the great cards they released in that sector still get excellent sales. Amd doesn't even have a card released in the highend sector now but perhaps you just wanna wait with judging them untill they do? For now the Amd cards seem to be up for the competition against their direct competitors and judging those so every gamers gets max bang for his buck is the way to go for us. You are confusing yourself as the small percentage who buy the highend cards with the bigger majority who have mid range cards and love them. Amd/ati has set up some great cards for them and in the sector of the dx9 cards they are king with their extremely well priced 1950 pro. Nvidia has some great cards in that sector too btw, overall the midrange is a great, perhaps even ubergreat place too get your cards from the last year or so.

Driver issues are a thing of the past, the 4.- till 6.7 series. After that they actually got their hands on the team that developed the excellent drivers for Nvidia, that could also explain why it took Nvidia more then half a year to come up with half decent drivers that met Vista's standards. You are just being biased here without any proper reasoning assuming everyone should get what you have regardless of facts telling you otherwise. You've talked about being an older men as being a surplus from time to time, but with this behaviour you are simply showing that you are holding on to what you know from the past with melancholy instead of exploring the new. A big shame for someone who has all the knowledge to objectively help others, really limits your potential and credibility. I still love you though :francesco:

2900XT is ATI's high-end card. It's the best they could produce. And it's
just a mid-range card. You won't be seeing anything better from them in
the near future. Plus there just to far behind in development. Nvidia will
be releasing there next-gen cards soon and what's ATI to do then. As for
drivers, ATI's drivers suck. And they have for way more than a year now.
They sucked when I was using an X800XT and they have gotten no better.
And just because I buy high-end hardware it doesn't mean my opinion on
the lower-end is flawed. Buying an ATI card now because it performs slightly
better than an 8800GTS is crazy. In the next couple of months we will be
seeing new cards from Nvidia that will be a much more worthwhile investment.
ATI has dropped the ball and it's bouncing towards the highway. Don't just
go running blindly after it. Stop and look both ways or you'll get hit by the
new technology coming down the road.

Ati hasn't dropped any ball. They have produced a great first dx10 card able to outperform it's counterpart and be cheaper too, plus the driver potential is still present while Nvidia's is almost at his max. Buying a Ati instead of a 8800 gts if you have one is crazy but if someone asks me whether to get a 8800 gts or 2900 then the choice will be easy. The lower dx 10 series of Ati have been showing some excellent results aswell on 65 db and they are priced superb, hats off to them for trying to make pc gaming a bit more affordable. I thought it was just xfx with that policy on fairer pricing. I'm not changing my opinion, you're looking at this with biased eyes and that makes your opinion questionable at the very least.

On another note, most people call me a pain in the Gazz for being openhearted and discussing matters open instead of letting it pass to avoid conflict. I wonder what gives them that idea :dennis:

AMD have dropped the ball and they lost it way before Christmas 2006. r600 was intended to be out at the same time as G80. The product was late, because they had major problems getting decent yeilds of decent cores during fabrication. When they eventually got reliable manufacturing yeilds they couldnt clock it at the right speed for it to perform against the 8800GTX so they renamed it and had to settle with a mainstream product. It was quite important that AMD released a top-end product faster and cheaper than the 8800GTX, as Marketing is King and if the masses know that the topend product is amazing they will assume that the rest of the product line will be just as good. AMD DO NOT HAVE a topend product and are openly admitting that their high-end is actually in crossfire configurations, which they like to compare against single gpu products from Nvidia, not 2x 8800GTX in SLI.

Sure its a nice card for the price, but no one has even disputed that, but its not the fastest and it is far from being perfect, which considering the delays it really should have been.

Nvidia has not maxed out on driver performance optimisation, where did you get information from? What complete and utter nonsense. Both Nvidia and AMD have Vista driver issues. AMD are far from perfect in this area and God knows why you think AMD poached a driver team from Nvidia!... Your going mad my son... MAD!

AMD are wading knee deep in shit at the moment, if you say otherwise I think you had better take off them rose-tinted spectacles and get a reality check.

I dont see why so many people have problems with drivers and stuff, maybe im just lucky.

Where the hell have I said or implied Ati has the fastest card? All I said was that the current Ati cards are more then able to stand up against it's counterparts, I never said that I think the 2900 xt beats the 8800 gtx or even implied that. I fully agree that Amd/ati have slacked behind because of the design issues that surrounded the initial launch half a year ago. However, the fact that Nvidia currently has the best high end card doesn't degrade the entire Ati videocard as obsolete or outdated. In fact, they are excellent cards, price/performance wise and if you took of your pink glasses for a sec you'd notice I have a point there.

I don't give a crap whether Ati or Nvidia wins, ati even produces the cards for the threeshitty so they can suck my balls for all I care, I just have serious issues with people so short-sighted they aren't giving another card a fair chance and still claiming they are some hardware guru when in fact they intentionally miss at least 50% of the videocard market because of biased opinions. That's just plain wrong.

Driver problems are 25% real and 75% people who think it's the videocard-driver while in fact it's another program already pre installed that's conflicting with a driver. Most people don't have issues with their drivers, it's just a part that wants to max out their performance by using modded software and ocÃ*ng a lot, and when that fails blame the driver instead of themselves and then there's 25% that have real issues and that just plain sucks. I never encountered any big issues with Catalyst or Forceware myself, a bsod once with some modded forceware and that about sums it up.