AMD's DX10 is not up to scratch

NVIDIA's drivers aren't so perfect either though. With the 8800s, it's sort of like give and take with the drivers. I find the older 8800 drivers, say January-April, have some of the best compatibility with the games that I've played while the more recent drivers have far better performance but have some issues in certain games. I can't totally speak for their Vista drivers, but I have seen that in certain games and applications, ATI's drivers are doing better. I won't say that ATI's drivers are any better, but I will say that NVIDIA's drivers aren't as good as they used to be.

Originally posted by Gazz@Jun 16 2007, 07:00 PM
Where the hell have I said or implied Ati has the fastest card? All I said was that the current Ati cards are more then able to stand up against it's counterparts, I never said that I think the 2900 xt beats the 8800 gtx or even implied that. I fully agree that Amd/ati have slacked behind because of the design issues that surrounded the initial launch half a year ago. However, the fact that Nvidia currently has the best high end card doesn't degrade the entire Ati videocard as obsolete or outdated. In fact, they are excellent cards, price/performance wise and if you took of your pink glasses for a sec you'd notice I have a point there.

I don't give a crap whether Ati or Nvidia wins, ati even produces the cards for the threeshitty so they can suck my balls for all I care, I just have serious issues with people so short-sighted they aren't giving another card a fair chance and still claiming they are some hardware guru when in fact they intentionally miss at least 50% of the videocard market because of biased opinions. That's just plain wrong.

Driver problems are 25% real and 75% people who think it's the videocard-driver while in fact it's another program already pre installed that's conflicting with a driver. Most people don't have issues with their drivers, it's just a part that wants to max out their performance by using modded software and ocÃ*ng a lot, and when that fails blame the driver instead of themselves and then there's 25% that have real issues and that just plain sucks. I never encountered any big issues with Catalyst or Forceware myself, a bsod once with some modded forceware and that about sums it up.

I never implied you said that at all! It was just a statement. I also stated that the r600 offers excellent price/performance and have also said that elsewhere in this thread and indeed in numerous other posts!

Well, I guess I shouldn't have been drunk as hell when I responded to that reply then and read better

I think DX10 will be pretty impressive actually. Check these crysis vids from gametrailers- the DX9 vs DX10 ones are awesome, I just hope that's actual gameplay!

http://www.gametrailers.com/game/2509.html

I'm still of the opinion that ATI has dropped the ball and buying there
product is crazy. Sure the 2900 is outperforming Nvidia's present mid-range
cards. But in the very very near future, Nvidia is going to release there
2ND Generation DX10 cards and ATI won't be able to compete. When this
happens all the 8800 cards will drop in price and a 2nd 8800 GTS will be
an option to consider for present owners. ATI isn't going to be able to
drop and match prices without sacrificing research & development costs.
This is going to lead to even worse driver support and slower product
development (which is already way behind). The last I heard AMD/ATI
plans to start focusing on OEM products for General Usage. Buy what
you want, but I'm steering everyone I know away from AMD/ATI. If I
did anything else I think karma would just bite me on the ass.

Well really both ATI and NVIDIA aren't up to scratch with dx10 IMO. It's pretty harsh going from 130 average fps in CoH to 40 fps over directx 10. It's not really worth it for such little added details.

one shouldn't forget that it's not only the graphic cards but also the game devs who are fairly new to DX10. so their prging sux and there are no optimazation. lalala

Yeah true. I don't know why relic bothered with this dx10 patch though. I was able to max the game out with aa and filtering and still have an average framerate in the 100s. Just by switching it to dx10 and having all AA and filtering disabled, the framerate is in the pits. Yeah, I just got Vista But I still have XP dual booted :francesco:

Yah the game runs great without the DX10 enabled, but with it the FPS kinda sucks and I dont see anything like HDR, maybe its just me =/

One comment i do want to make is that i think the 2900XT and the 8800GTS are not mainstream cards. They aren't the creme de la creme ofcourse but they are pretty pricey and give good performance.

More mainstream right now is the 8600GT and the 2600XT