today, I am ashamed

Originally posted by GM™@Jun 9 2005, 09:54 AM
Well Tony Blair and his corrupt ministers have decided that us UK residents don't need to have a referendum on the new constitution, because they are sure we would all say no anyways!

God damn European integration has wrecked our once wonderful country... The UK should withdraw the £40 billion we pay in to corrupt bureaucrats in Brussels and spend it on reducing our taxes and petrol prices. You know for the 40 billion we pay in per annum, we are only re-distributed £3 billion!

Who gets the remainder? I tell you who... nortoning lazy French farmers, thieving Spanish fishermen, Un-employed alcoholic Germans and the 10000 immigrants entering the UK every month because the rest of the European union push them our way! :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

erm go home mr bnp and calm down

For the record:

'I am not a member or have never voted for the the BNP!' I am not a racist and I have many friends in France and Germany.

I just dispise the hypocracy (No thats not a type of bird in WoW) of European ministers in Brussels having no relation with the actual people/countries of Europe!

I voted no aswell, not that i despise the concept of an european constitution but the influence of other countries on our dutch policies. If we needed to illegalize softdrugs right now, the police would have to put manpower on that. This would mean other crimes would not get the attention they deserve.

Suppose all those idiot kids hanging around coffeeshops in Holland right now would enter bars and start drinking instead of being to stoned to do anything. I say drug them and keep them silent! Afterall they inhale it themselfs.

European integration is not really a bad thing GM, it enhances our industrial strenght. It does however interfere with multiple cultures that have excisted and developed for thousands of years. A general constition like in America probably doesn't work here since they got it relatifly early in their excistence. There are too many countrys who are too nationalistic (like Germany and France) for this bs.

As far as integration goes, its an never ending story. Immigrants as an whole, not as individual cases (there are some sad sad storys there), weaken our system. It is a known fact and in no way a racist remark to point out that language and educational problems trow up barriers that are almost unpassable.

And about what Tony blair did in a so called democracy, just this : :rant:

well yeah you're right GM, they don't have alot of "feeling" with the rest of europe, but did you know the "president" of the european parliament changes every six months?? that's not enough to develop good "feeling"

well the constitution is supposed to make that the leader stays in place for a longer periode, two years I think it was, that way he/she (ya never know) could really do things.

and one more thing, once in the 19th century Victor Hugo said "Europe should unite to become a United Stated of Europe" what he meant was that on their own, the countries of europe could not "survive" against the growing power of the USA, so they should work together to still have something to say in the world, and that's exactly what the EU was designed for, alongside of making a big open market without borders or taxes to pay within europe.

I've gotta go study chemistry now, I don't know if I said what I meant correctly...or the other way around.

seeya

Originally posted by GM™@Jun 9 2005, 10:47 AM
For the record:

'I am not a member or have never voted for the the BNP!' I am not a racist and I have many friends in France and Germany.

I just dispise the hypocracy (No thats not a type of bird in WoW) of European ministers in Brussels having no relation with the actual people/countries of Europe!

ok fair enough i agree

personally i think we're overdue a revolution

like al murray says in time gentleman please

"Back off Brussels"

*waves fist in air*

European integration is not really a bad thing GM, it enhances our industrial strength. It does however interfere with multiple cultures that have excisted and developed for thousands of years. A general constition like in America probably doesn't work here since they got it relatifly early in their excistence. There are too many countrys who are too nationalistic (like Germany and France) for this bs.

I would hardly call it enhancing industrial strength. Countries like the UK have existed for centuries by being self-sufficient, which is how we kicked off the industrial revolution in the 20th Century. We 'had' a thriving motor-vehicle industry (Now non existant thanks to the euro), a thriving fishing and agriculture industry (Now non-existant apart from small pockets of farmers and fishermen, thank you France, Spain and Italy!). This has left many UK residents feeling something short of raped by Brussels!

The rotation of presidency has very little bearing on the greater scheme of things... no EU president will risk upsetting other member states and damaging important trade relations.

well then GM, just one more thing I just thought of



you can't leave the EU for now, because there is no way to do so, the constitution on the other hand also had a procedure a country could follow to leave the EU

gotta go learn some latin