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Old 11-04-2004, 04:50 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Thanks Bucky, this was very informative of you... he still looks like a clown sometimes though...

... not like the naughty Canadian politics that take nude pix of themselves
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i am pro bush for sure hes a man of action..wooooooo i love you bush

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Old 11-04-2004, 05:20 AM   #14 (permalink)
 
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I love bush too, but trimmed. :francesco: I cand stand em totally shaved. :nxs:
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I don't see why not having abortion is a good thing. Sure you shouldn't be able to just go, hey Dr., heres 500 dollars. I got pregnant 3 months ago I guess. Kill my baby. No, it's for people who need it. You wouldn't want to have a baby either if some murderer broke into your house, killed your parents, and raped you. end of story
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I don't see why not having abortion is a good thing. Sure you shouldn't be able to just go, hey Dr., heres 500 dollars. I got pregnant 3 months ago I guess. Kill my baby. No, it's for people who need it. You wouldn't want to have a baby either if some murderer broke into your house, killed your parents, and raped you. end of story
Wrong topic, you want this one in the kindergarten thread.
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Ill throw a little Anti-kerry thing in here.

Kerry says he'll do this this and this. BUT HES BEEN A SENATOR FOR 20 F*cking years AND WTF HAS HE DONE? Why do you think no one knew who he was? he did nothing notable. Why should we belive he'll do it now.

I can't even argue that point.. because its so damn true..
The average voter is a lot less informed, and a lot more mislead then you would like to imagine.

Just because, you, people you know, and myself know something about whats happening, doesn't nearly apply to the rest of the country.

We need a conservative president. We don't need a *fake* conservative like bush, or a christian-based conservative(like bush).

I'm a consevative myself. However I do think that Kerry failed for 2 reasons. First, he doesn't have a former base outside Mass. Bush has a former term, governorship, and his father. Second. Kerry Let the Republicans define him. "flip-flopper" is a very interesting word. Sure he changed his mind. but over 20 years, new information has also surfaced. ADAPTING TO NEW INFORMATION IS NOT A BAD THING. Hell all politicitians do it, bush does it himself plenty. Does Bush put his foot down? not at all. He has yet to veto a single bill, where are his positions now? nowhere, he just signs anything. he isn't authroizing enough force in Iraq. If you take a country, you use (nearly) all tools you have to effectivally dispose of the enemy. Stop letting these Terrorists hid in the public and in mosques. Level anywhere were the terrorists hide. Make sure that if they want to use their own friends as cover, the US Soliders won't hesist to shoot you, or your friends. Bush hasn't done that.. hes been too politically correct.

You know what republicans are scare of? looking at Kerry for what hes worth.
Biggest concern in office? Same as bush
Gay Marrige? Same as bush
Flipflops? No more then bush. They aren't even a bad thing.
Abortion? Supports whatever the supreme court says
War Record? All Senators, the president himself, and just about every vet says that Kerry did nothing incorrect in Vietnam,
Iraq? More troops, kerry would have needed to worry about re-election, he would have to be agressive if he would have wanted to get re-elected.
Taxes? Same as before you got your 400 bucks.
Health-care? an option for people who can't afford it
Stem Cell Research? kerry would have allowed the use of storage embryotic cells.(The ones that were extracted but not used). Hell, either we use them.. or they get destroyed.. there is nothign wrong with using them then.
Budget? Same exact as bush, however much the democrats say otherwise. They both have no real plan.
Optomisitic Misinformation, and mistakes that affected millions of lives? Kerry doesn't have them.
Worrying that the US doesn't become this century's Soviet Union, disregarding the internation community? Kerry realizes it as a problem
Has a stupid movie maker supporting him? Yeh.. I guess thats a negative.. F*cking Michael moore.. I hate that sandpaper. hes a danger to the ignorance of america.

The canidates were really the same in most areas. Except Kerry would have had to be a little more conservative if he wanted a shot at re-election.

Kerry Lost, he fell victim to allowing the Reb. to define him.
Also.. Both canidates weren't very good. A lieing fake conservative with tons of mistakes. Or a recordless 20 year senator whose face is too long.
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about bush sticking to what he says ..... he said ''i dont believe we can go into another country and tell them how to live'' then he went to war with iraq..... by going to war with iraq he hasnt made america or the world any safer ...... hes incited even more hatred against america ..... thier were no links with al quaeda an iraq it was all just made up... hell they even made asama bin laden out to be more powerful than he really is ... the guy doesnt command an army of extremists like people like to have you believe he was mainly just a funder for militants that made thier own plans and only came to him for money .......and sepht dont say such stupid things like they should just level wherever terrorists are ..... if their were terrorists in a church in america with civilians would you think they should just level it...... because their iraqis doesnt mean they arnt civilians an deserve the right to live ...... its because of things like that , that get the eastern world all worked up and want to kill americans and the british ...... we kill thier family they want to kill as many of us as they can
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bush won end of story. the end is near so it doesn't matter
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Economy and jobs, the REAL story.

Bush inherited a recession from Bill Clinton. Shortly after his election he enacted a sweeping tax cut (which included me, and I ain't rich... so much for the "tax cuts for the wealthy" crap )Â* which was showing every sign of recovering the economy. [/b]


Hrm... Define "every sign"? I remember since his re-election and until 9/11, the American dollar was devaluating quite steadily in comparison to Canadian dollar, and our economy was in recession at that time... So it's arguable at the least that he has done something to stop the recession then. Also, the "tax cuts for the wealthy crap" was in regards to the latest tax cuts he has passed, not the pre-9/11 ones... And to be honest, I think in your arguments you're completely ignoring the whole huge-budget-surplus-accumulated-under-Clinton-being-turned-into-trillions-of-budget-deficit-under-Bush thing... If you think his tax cuts are permanent, regardless of the chronic budget deficit and debts, just wait a few years to see the taxes being hiked up to where they were under Clinton, or even higher...

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Then came 9/11. Our economy crashed. The dollar devalued, inflation jumped, and people lost jobs. Bush recovered the economy AGAIN in less than 3 years. Our economy is now showing sustained growth and unemployment is dropping.
Bush recovered the economy, as in it's a known fact? What tells you that? Is it the steadily devaluating American dollar, or the budget deficit, or the soaring oil prices that are hurting a lot of industries (and which are a direct result of the instability he has created in the Middle East), or the tax cuts given to corporations outsourcing their jobs overseas, or the no-bid contracts awarded to Halliburton? Speaking of recovery as of an accepted and known fact is slightly foolish in current circumstances... Also let me give you an example from the past -- all the wars America has participated in have done a lot of good for the country's economy. So even the slight positive changes (which I must acknowledge, are happening, such as some new jobs having been created) can only be attributed to the war in Iraq, and not Bush's understanding of economics.


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Health care: Bush signed a health care reformn package that takes effect in 2006. The dems yelling about health care was a desperate attempt to preempt this already passed bill.
Kerry had a big and quite detailed program as to what he'd do to make the health care system better, but you probably didn't read it, so you call it "dems yelling". Fair enough


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