2 Political Issues

Sepht · 11-05-2004, 07:40 AM

I decided I might as well figure out why the hell people think why they think on 2 big issues: the draft and gay marrige.
Both are really US issues but I would love comments from people from around the world(thats 1 thing I think is so great about these forums, the diversity)

The Draft, which is a very conservative issue, I don't mind and partially support.

Gay Marrige, a very liberal issue, I also don't mind and support.

Why are people so against manditory militiary service?
I think its a good idea, well at least I don't see anything wrong with it. All my relatives, cousins, and everyone in my family has had to go through with it and they don't mind, and I think if manditory military service was imposed on the US, I wouldn't love it, but honostly, I wouldn't be against it. Why are people so against holding a public job and giving 1-2 years of your life to your country.

Why are people so against gay marrige. We have gone over this, the US was based on not having any religous influence over goverment. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" - Bill of Rights. If gays want to marry, they should have that right, there is no reason to infringe it.. there is no basis for it, it doesn't affect me. Let them marry if they want to.

JUst like to add again: Im open to sides, opinions, agreement, statements.. whatever.. I want to hear what the arguements are for these issues.

vishus_mind · 11-05-2004, 07:48 AM

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Posted: Nov 5 2004, 08:09 AM by vishus_mind
i dont see the big dal with same sex marriages ...... why do so many americans want to ban them .... it wont effect them in anyway so whats the problem

like ive said im not against it and i cant understand why people are so against something that will never effect them ..... unless its all about your religous beliefs .......

Sepht · 11-05-2004, 07:56 AM

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Originally posted by vishus_mind@Nov 5 2004, 01:48 AM

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Posted: Nov 5 2004, 08:09 AM by vishus_mind
i dont see the big dal with same sex marriages ...... why do so many americans want to ban them .... it wont effect them in anyway so whats the problem

like ive said im not against it and i cant understand why people are so against something that will never effect them ..... unless its all about your religous beliefs .......

neither do I. But remember.. Religon shouldn't be a reason... Its illegal(unconstitutional) in the US to use religon as a base for policy.

vishus_mind · 11-05-2004, 08:02 AM

i wasnt saying it should be a valid reason .....i was just pointing out that that can be the only real reason a person can have .... and i believe that thats wrong

Sepht · 11-05-2004, 08:18 AM

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Originally posted by vishus_mind@Nov 5 2004, 02:02 AM
i wasnt saying it should be a valid reason .....i was just pointing out that that can be the only real reason a person can have .... and i believe that thats wrong

i know.. i just wanted to bring that out.

vishus_mind · 11-05-2004, 08:21 AM

:thumbup: alright man

GeneralFailure · 11-05-2004, 08:34 AM

Gay Marriage good.
Draft not so good.

The only people I've ever talked to who opposed gay marriage have based their ideas on religious values, which is completely off-base as there is a strict seperation of church and state, one of the things that makes our country so great. I see know reason why two people who want to be together can't be married just because their is an even number of penises in the group.

As for the draft, it will never happen, Bush can't rally THAT much support.

mikeeegeee · 11-05-2004, 08:47 AM

^what he said. Draft would suck. If I got chosen that would suck. Getting blown up on a routine traffic check is not my idea of fair.

Bucky · 11-05-2004, 08:55 AM

The discussion of the draft is baffling. There has been absolutely no indication from the White House that they are in the least bit interested in a draft.

It was a Democrat that introduced the draft bill for vote, with the idea that the House could crush the bill and finally put to rest the consistent rumors of a draft. It's not going to happen.

Furthermore, the military is vehemently opposed to a draft. They do not have the capability to train a huge influx of conscripts, and it would dilute the effectiveness of our military, not enhance it. Our military is far too technical today to train a bunch of unwilling recruits in a short time to any level of effectiveness.

Sepht · 11-05-2004, 08:57 AM

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Originally posted by Bucky@Nov 5 2004, 02:55 AM
The discussion of the draft is baffling. There has been absolutely no indication from the White House that they are in the least bit interested in a draft.

It was a Democrat that introduced the draft bill for vote, with the idea that the House could crush the bill and finally put to rest the consistent rumors of a draft. It's not going to happen.

Furthermore, the military is vehemently opposed to a draft. They do not have the capability to train a huge influx of conscripts, and it would dilute the effectiveness of our military, not enhance it. Our military is far too technical today to train a bunch of unwilling recruits in a short time to any level of effectiveness.

Thats not even the sandpapering point. Read what I post guys.

Im talking about manditory Military service and/or a draft.

11-05-2004, 07:40 AM	#1 (permalink)
Sepht is on the 6th circle: Heresy Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,673 Hellbux: 35,920	I decided I might as well figure out why the hell people think why they think on 2 big issues: the draft and gay marrige. Both are really US issues but I would love comments from people from around the world(thats 1 thing I think is so great about these forums, the diversity) The Draft, which is a very conservative issue, I don't mind and partially support. Gay Marrige, a very liberal issue, I also don't mind and support. Why are people so against manditory militiary service? I think its a good idea, well at least I don't see anything wrong with it. All my relatives, cousins, and everyone in my family has had to go through with it and they don't mind, and I think if manditory military service was imposed on the US, I wouldn't love it, but honostly, I wouldn't be against it. Why are people so against holding a public job and giving 1-2 years of your life to your country. Why are people so against gay marrige. We have gone over this, the US was based on not having any religous influence over goverment. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" - Bill of Rights. If gays want to marry, they should have that right, there is no reason to infringe it.. there is no basis for it, it doesn't affect me. Let them marry if they want to. JUst like to add again: Im open to sides, opinions, agreement, statements.. whatever.. I want to hear what the arguements are for these issues. __________________ P4 Northwood 2.8Ghz 800Mhz FSB, i875P, 1.5gb DDR400, Radeon 9800(R350) Aquamark3 Score: 47,825 Steam, Xfire: Sepht You need at least 1 server (you know, the black ones) -Cowgoboom Sepht do you take pride in making others Feel... How should i say this... Retarded? -Silent Archer

11-05-2004, 08:02 AM	#4 (permalink)
vishus_mind is on the 6th circle: Heresy Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,542 Hellbux: 23,528	i wasnt saying it should be a valid reason .....i was just pointing out that that can be the only real reason a person can have .... and i believe that thats wrong __________________ dont know how many SOTW sins...need more PhotoBucket

11-05-2004, 08:21 AM	#6 (permalink)
vishus_mind is on the 6th circle: Heresy Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,542 Hellbux: 23,528	:thumbup: alright man __________________ dont know how many SOTW sins...need more PhotoBucket

11-05-2004, 08:34 AM	#7 (permalink)
GeneralFailure is on the 2nd circle: Lust Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 113 Hellbux: 2,179	Gay Marriage good. Draft not so good. The only people I've ever talked to who opposed gay marriage have based their ideas on religious values, which is completely off-base as there is a strict seperation of church and state, one of the things that makes our country so great. I see know reason why two people who want to be together can't be married just because their is an even number of penises in the group. As for the draft, it will never happen, Bush can't rally THAT much support. __________________ Save and save often... unless your health is really low. AMD Athlon XP 2500+ 333 ATI Radeon 9600XT 1GB PC-3200 Crucial RAM NFORCE2 Ultra 400 Motherboard

11-05-2004, 08:47 AM	#8 (permalink)
mikeeegeee is on the 5th circle: Wrath & Sullenness Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,113 Hellbux: 15,407	^what he said. Draft would suck. If I got chosen that would suck. Getting blown up on a routine traffic check is not my idea of fair. __________________ "Is that how they drive in Tiananmen Square bitch?!"

11-05-2004, 08:55 AM	#9 (permalink)
Bucky Gamershell Grandpa Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Cincinnati, OH, USA Posts: 5,677 Hellbux: 94,932	The discussion of the draft is baffling. There has been absolutely no indication from the White House that they are in the least bit interested in a draft. It was a Democrat that introduced the draft bill for vote, with the idea that the House could crush the bill and finally put to rest the consistent rumors of a draft. It's not going to happen. Furthermore, the military is vehemently opposed to a draft. They do not have the capability to train a huge influx of conscripts, and it would dilute the effectiveness of our military, not enhance it. Our military is far too technical today to train a bunch of unwilling recruits in a short time to any level of effectiveness. __________________ Papajoe r0ckz3rz!!

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