What a joke these Violent Muslems are !!

Well, Mr Magot, Mr Green owned you there.

It wasn't too hard though - you seem to contradict yourself... so Jews have the right to Israel, cause they lived there some thousand years ago but it's ok for the Europeans to take America away from the natives - i didn't get that...

Or if that's how it goes, then we (Bulgarians) should get all of former Jugoslavia, Romania, Albania, and half of Greece since we owned them some 1000 years ago too... while we're at it then we also claim the Volga region in Russia, cause that's where our people came from... :Oo:

What people don't have their own country? How about gipsies, or red indians... if you like Jews so much how about you give them land somewhere in New Zeland?

You talk about being brainwashed - look at the crap you're talking yourself "Yeah, we can hold off all of the Arabs on our own"... "Israel belongs to the Jews. THE END"

So Muslim suicide-bomb your ass... yeah, you don't have to - you shoot cripples with missles out of a chopper... how is that any different?

Anyways, I'm not a man of words, and I don't have to be - jgreen has said it all for me... read his posts carefully and don't jump straight away when the truth in them contradicts your propaganda beliefs...

... take care and use your brain.

Ok...

Maybe you didn't understand about saddam. So I'll tell you. Saddam was never chosen by the Iraqis. His Baathist regime was installed by the US and the UK as they were willing to fight against the Iranians and also to trade with the US and UK on favourable terms. He was our friend when he was against Iran. And they fought a long war, with the US and UK providing them weapons (both sides infact!). And during this time he was hated by the majority of Iraq. He did kill many people, mainly Kurds. But this was also done under US and UK backing. In fact the turks were (and still are) killing kurds at the same time (they are still western allies). There was even an Iraqi democratic party that was appealing to the US and British to try and overthrow Saddam. We didn't care. He was doing our dirty work for us - he was our man - and we kept his atrocities hidden. But then, he started getting sick of western exploitation of the arabs - in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, etc. (and annoyed at their support for Israel - which had been occupying lebanon for a long time, in direct retaliation of several UN resolutions). So he started calling for the arab states to start becoming more independent of the US. This was late 1980's. And he refused to deal with the americans or british on favourable terms. Which is when the atrocities (that were committed in full knowledge of our governmnts) started becoming known to the public - what a coincidence! And then he became the new hitler, the man who would take over the world if we didnt' stop him (this was the same guy who couldn't defeat an weak post revolution Iran after years of trying and with US and UK backing!). So we needed to get him out of power. Because all that oil sitting under his feet couldn't be used by us if he refused to deal.

So yes, Saddam sucked. But why was he in power in the first place? Because we put him there. And yes people in Iraq hated saddam. But they also hated us for putting him in there in the first place.

2 wrongs don't make a right - I agree. And I agree that the palestinians shouldn't attack Israeli civilians. But then I do understand their anguish. The same way that I understand the anguish of someone who has lost their husband from a bomb (like your unfortunate friend). If we want peace in the Middle east then both sides need to work for it. If as you say Israel has a right to have its own country, then you can't then go and say that all palestinians should go and live somewhere else. That is not right. Regardless of how big the arab lands are. Then the palestinians can also say that the Israelis should go and live somewhere else. It can't work that way.

What the solution is I don't know. Most people outside the middle east will want a two state solution (most Israelis don't and most Palestinians don't). The palestinians have been given the worst of the land, and the most developed and fertile lands have been taken by the Israelis. If a two state solution is to exist then this is the first problem that needs to be corrected. Also, as the Israelis are coming into Palestine, they must compensate the palestinians for the loss of their lands. And they should also help to develop the infrastructure and industry in palestine - otherwise these people cannot survive. You can't just say "here have some useless desert marsh and leave us to our green fertile lawns." And of course, just as Jerusalem is holy to the jews it is also holy to the Muslims. Jerualem itself must be open to both. Only if such measures occur will palestinian people feel comfortable about the two state situation. It still won't be fair - as the zonist oppression will be seen to have won. But then making innocent Israeli children suffer for the mistakes of their Zionist ancestors is not fair either.

At the end of the day, we must make peace. The Palestinians will probably have to give up their claim to the whole of palestine (which is brutal). But Israel must also compensate the palestinians for this loss and ensure that they can live and survive and rebuild on this new land.

I hope that we can end this discussion here. I am sorry if I have caused any offense to anyone. This was not my intention. I realise that the issue is very deep and complicated. I hope that we can all live peacefully soon.

Joe Green

Here is my proposal fellas, we bomb the holy hell out of the Isralie borders, then airlift all of Israel to Nebraska or some other corn growing state. Problem solved! Sorry for the comic relief there guys. But ya need to relax every once in a while

Sounds like a good plan but why not airlift them and drop them in the middle of the Atlantic - problem solved once and for all...

Still to much trouble? Damn it then - use nukes to carpet-bomb the whole middle east - arabs, jres, palestinians - everyone.

@ Nxs: you don't have a sayso in this topic being the brainwashed pro-zionst american monkey that you are :P

EDIT: My respectgoes to jgreene, nice to finally see someone who tries to search for the truth through all the media mumbo-jumbo and the plain crap they are feeding us. I hope we'll see you around more often. :francesco:

lol! I can say what ever I wish! As a matter of fact, I can make it so you say whatever I want :P

LOL abuse of power - how very American... :P












Bite me!



*hides

Abuse of power my ass! I know you have some WMD on you!

Yet again - how very American... just broadcast on the CNN I have WMD in my basement and send in the seals to get me. :P

Why would I need the SEALs. I'd just fake a pic of you in a hole and have the caption say 'Gottem!'

Thanks greywolf. It's funny but I used to hate history when I was at school! But I guess when you put it all into context with what is happening now, it makes more sense. And its also nice that you don't have to do any exams...

You know... maybe we should just forget about real wars and have counterstrike matches instead... that way no one gets hurt. Unless you happen to defeat the koreans...

I really cannot wait for Oblivion to come out. Morrowind is one of my fav games and I have seen the movies of oblivion and I am literally salivating at the mouth...