Here we go again! - Page 2

Richard_Rahl · 05-31-2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BuffaloChips

n-re-4ever,

Are you a Muslim? If not, have you ever read the Koran or read anything about Muhammed or Islam?

If you haven't, you need to just zip it up! Muhammed CREATED Islam to suit his needs! Alah was the name of a sun or moon god at the time he CREATED this so-called religion. Every thing that came from him was a way to justify what he wanted.

At one time his wife Aiyisha (or however you spell it) was raped. Muhammed's rule was if three men came forward and said it was true, then it was to be believed. Since he didn't want to believe that it had happened he arbitrarily changed it to four men. Now days, that is the rule.

Proving rape is almost impossible under Islam. More often than not, women are basically admitting to committing adultery and are treated as adulterers.

In Islam, a woman's word is worth half a man's.

I could go on and on and on.

TheReligionofPeace.com - Islam: Making a True Difference in the World

The first thing I wish to tell you Buffalo, is that you should not regard the "islamic world" a a whole. Sure what you say about women is true, but not everywhere, it even depends on the person (only certain people have that way of thinking). Turkey for example is quite westernised, afaik is there a seperation of faith and government too (like here). Lots of Muslims actually "believe" in a way that is quite like Catholics do, not "taking" the Holy Writings too literal.

BuffaloChips · 05-31-2008, 07:20 PM

Look at it however you want. I will also ask you the same thing, are you a Muslim? Where does your knowledge come from? We are berraged with BS from Imams in the states these days about how Islam is a "religion of peace" but the larger portion of them do not protest the radical behaviors of the extremists.

I posted a link to thereligionof peace.com so you could go read up on a lot of the "faith" of Islam. If you ask me it is like liberalism, a mental disorder or a cult rather than a real religion.

I look at it as a whole because the "faithful" follow the "teachings" of Muhammad.

Look at the BS that flys these days ...

Islam means peace: The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.” There is no controversy about this among Islamic scholars

Jihad means "inner struggle": This is extremely difficult to reconcile with the Qur’an, which, for example, exempted the disabled and elderly from Jihad (4:95). This would make no sense if the word is being used merely within the context of spiritual struggle.

Islam respects Women as Equals: Merely stating that individuals will be judged as such by Allah does not mean that they have equal rights and roles, or that they are judged by the same standards. In fact, Sura 37:22-23 implies that women will be punished on Judgment Day for sins committed by their husbands. It goes on from there.

AS I said, go read up on this "religion" before you tell me that ISLAM isn't what I think it is.

BuffaloChips · 05-31-2008, 07:40 PM

Here's some more:

Sura (24:31) - Women are to lower their gaze around men, so they do not look them in the eye.

Sura (4:24) and Sura (33:52) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage.

Bukhari (2:28) - Women comprise the majority of Hell's occupants. This is important because the only women in heaven ever mentioned by Muhammad are the virgins who serve the sexual desires of men.

Bukhari (62:81) - This basically says that the most important thing a woman brings to the marriage is what is between her legs.

According to Islamic law, a husband may strike his wife for any one of the following four reasons:

- She does not attempt to make herself beautiful for him (ie. "let's herself go")

- She refuses to meet his sexual demands

- She leaves the house without his permission or a "legitimate reason"

- She neglects her religious duties

Any of these are also sufficient grounds for divorce.

Women are also expected to be sexually available to their husbands at ALL times. At his every whim.

Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy."

Anyway, that is enough for now.

Richard_Rahl · 05-31-2008, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BuffaloChips

Look at it however you want. I will also ask you the same thing, are you a Muslim? Where does your knowledge come from? We are berraged with BS from Imams in the states these days about how Islam is a "religion of peace" but the larger portion of them do not protest the radical behaviors of the extremists.

I posted a link to thereligionof peace.com so you could go read up on a lot of the "faith" of Islam. If you ask me it is like liberalism, a mental disorder or a cult rather than a real religion.

I look at it as a whole because the "faithful" follow the "teachings" of Muhammad.

Look at the BS that flys these days ...

Islam means peace: The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.” There is no controversy about this among Islamic scholars

Jihad means "inner struggle": This is extremely difficult to reconcile with the Qur’an, which, for example, exempted the disabled and elderly from Jihad (4:95). This would make no sense if the word is being used merely within the context of spiritual struggle.

Islam respects Women as Equals: Merely stating that individuals will be judged as such by Allah does not mean that they have equal rights and roles, or that they are judged by the same standards. In fact, Sura 37:22-23 implies that women will be punished on Judgment Day for sins committed by their husbands. It goes on from there.

AS I said, go read up on this "religion" before you tell me that ISLAM isn't what I think it is.

Stop referring to the Quran, lots of Muslims agree that most parts can be interpreted in various ways and thus have to be taken with a bit of salt (if you get my meaning). I have learned at school (a regular dutch high school), that Islam is partially based on the way older faiths of Christianity and Jewdom.
What your doing is the same as condemning christianity because of parts of the Bible, a book that is not to be taken literal either. You gotta look at the history, the culture, the peoples. Not at a book that is hundreds of years old and never rewritten, due too the fact that no-one can actually agree to the meaning of most parts. For example the part about the reward martyrs get when arriving in Heaven: according to the Quran, they will get 72 "huri". Which can be either virgins or grapes (Dutch source: Heilig doel, heilige middelen (2008). Kijk, issue 6, p 49).

BuffaloChips · 06-01-2008, 05:02 AM

Blast it! I just had a bunch of stuff written up and somehow lost it.

Any way Richard, go actually read up at thereligionofpeace.com. Actually learn something rather than fall for that, "It can be interpreted many ways," garbage. The Koran (or however it is spelled) is written in specific language and is subject to one interpretation.

If you actually look at the people culture and history, it is full of hate for other religions and the dictate to dominate, destroy or convert by force every non-believer.

Go learn something rather than the PC crap you are going to be taught in school. Do you really think you are going to be taught the realities of such a thing in school?

n-re-4ever · 06-01-2008, 07:35 AM

bufflochips of what ever your name is you are the one who dont know anything about eslam.
i read about 6 book of prophet mohhamed biography and about 9 book about islam and as i read more i become more covenced about it because it makes sencse.
not like your shit talking .
i maybe not good at english but if you could speek the laguege that i speek you would be suprised .
because your just an egnorent old man hehe.
good buy now bufflowhatever...

bufflowhatever ican speek arabic very good i speek it like my mother languge i dare you to write onley one arabic work an relaited to islam i dont think you can because you full of bs

and by the way buwhatever i read the quran three times

BuffaloChips · 06-01-2008, 10:59 AM

You may have read it but you obviously have no reading comprehension what-so-ever!

Muhammad was nothing more than a warmonger.

Anyway, I'm done with this stupidity. none of you arguing FOR Islam are worth the time it takes to try and show you something. GO TO THERELIGIONOFPEACE.COM!!!!!! I have yet to see where any of you have gone and are even trying to argue with the FACTS presented there. Have a good life under the repressive 4th century way of Islamic life in your future!

Richard_Rahl · 06-01-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BuffaloChips

You may have read it but you obviously have no reading comprehension what-so-ever!

Muhammad was nothing more than a warmonger.

Anyway, I'm done with this stupidity. none of you arguing FOR Islam are worth the time it takes to try and show you something. GO TO THERELIGIONOFPEACE.COM!!!!!! I have yet to see where any of you have gone and are even trying to argue with the FACTS presented there. Have a good life under the repressive 4th century way of Islamic life in your future!

The Eastern Christians in cities like Antioch and Jerusalem were (and are) quite respected by their Islamic rulers, despite the Koran/Quran saying they shouldn't. While those same christians were killed in huge amounts by the crusaders, despite the bible's 6th amendment: Thou shalt not kill. So who is the repressive people? The regular (i.e. non-extremist) Muslims? Or people who believe something they either wish to be true or fear to be true?
Dude, open your eyes, because willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to yourself.

Slaymate · 06-01-2008, 02:14 PM

n-re-4ever, in the future please combine your posts instead of making a new one just minutes apart. If you make a post and think of something else to say before anyone else makes a reply please use the edit button.

Edit: @ Buffalo, argueing with teenagers will only make your fingertips sore.

Richard_Rahl · 06-01-2008, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Slaymate

n-re-4ever, in the future please combine your posts instead of making a new one just minutes apart. If you make a post and think of something else to say before anyone else makes a reply please use the edit button.

Edit: @ Buffalo, argueing with teenagers will only make your fingertips sore.

Yeah, he should combine them into one.
I am actually trying to get this topic into a good debate instead of an "argument" among children. Too bad that I seem to be failing in that.
The fact that you seem to be missing Slay, is that I am just trying to make clear that extremists at one hand and regular muslims at the other are two quite diifferent "things".

Edit: Buffalo's source doesn't seem to be that reliable to me. Maybe he should come with another?