More Piss and Moans

I am agreeing with you more and more everyday. Although I won't go into detail, if you do remember we talked about this before and I was for the ban on smoking cigarettes. Now, nothing has changed and I still don't smoke but my mind has changed. I think its taking away the freedoms of the few americans that still actually smoke. We just finished a house remodel and had to use shitty light bulbs because fluorescent are the only legal thing available in california. What kind of crap is that? So we have to have some ugly ass white light shining in our brand new kitchen. Fornicate that. I don't really have a stance on transfats because they don't alter the flavor for the most part, although can be critical in the recipe of many foods (oreos anyone?)

Want to talk about smoking bans? About 7 years ago in Salt Lake City there was like a $1500.00 fine for smoking where you weren't supposed to.

Look, if you smoke a lot, it's very likely that you get sick. Who's paying your treatment? The taxpayers! I don't mind you smoking, but not if I have to pay for your stupidity. If you want to smoke poison, then pay for the consequences yourself. But that just seems a bridge too far for smokers, isn't it?

And GM, pardon me but that is just pure bollocks. Europe hardly has anything to do with it. Until recently Britain's pubs closed at, what, 11 PM? In my country, they may be open till 5am and it has always been in the European Union, so the EU has nothing to do with the 'massive pub/bar' culture. Also, the price of cigarettes is determined by the national government, so that the price differs in each country (It's 4.5 euros around here).

Cry more smokers

Look, if you smoke a lot, it's very likely that you get sick. Who's paying your treatment? The taxpayers! I don't mind you smoking, but not if I have to pay for your stupidity. If you want to smoke poison, then pay for the consequences yourself. But that just seems a bridge too far for smokers, isn't it?

Don't you realise that a person who smokes and drinks alcohol actually pays an awful lot more in taxes than the average non-smoker/non-drinker. Smoking CAN cause terminal diseases, but it also helps the country run and keeps an awful lot of hard-working busy people sane.

Also most cancer treatments in the UK are provided/subsidised by Charitable Trusts, not directly from NHS funds, i.e. Tax Money... I work for an NHS Foundation Trust in the UK and I can prove that most treatments from NHS funds are for the elderly and young and not smokers and heavy drinkers. Also respiratory illnesses are more common from polution and non-smoking related intoxication.

harsh, very harsh

im not really all that keen on smoking myself, it always gives me headache :Oo: does that make me wierd?

but it seems that most modern governments are going out of their way to keep all those healthy living hippies happy

i agree whole heartedly that this smoking ban crap should be the decision of the individual businesses :O and not put in place to punish whatever people choose of their own free will to do something that in all likelyhood will eventually kill them painfully



however i think the governments arent really thinking this one through enough,

nicotine is addictive, people go out of their way to soothe this addiction no matter what the cost (cancer risk)

so make people pay more for them :P

can anyone tell me if it would be possible for smokers to be so desperate for a fag that they would pay like £25 for a pack lol

Paying 25 a pack is wayyyyy too much. Sure they could charge that but, like alcohol and any other thing the government calls a drug, it will be much easier and cheaper to get it another way.

And that whole taxpayers paying for out treatment is a load of shit! My taxes goto ppl that eat like a drug and have to be carried out of their house by a forklift. I have to pay for ppl that defraud a bank. I have to pay for ppl that do damn near anything in excess! We all do! That is how America works. So I don't wnat to hear about the tax crap.

As I have said a hundred times before, and some other ppl, let the business choose what they want and dont want. How hard is this? You cant have a democracy if you tell everyone what the hell to do all the damn time!

Originally posted by GM™@Feb 9 2007, 03:56 PM

Smoking CAN cause terminal diseases, but it also helps the country run and keeps an awful lot of hard-working busy people sane.

Eh, no it doesn't. It makes hard-working people stay home, and makes industries loose income
Even in the UK

And, according to some English people, also in the EU

Originally posted by jan the man+Feb 12 2007, 04:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jan the man @ Feb 12 2007, 04:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--GM™@Feb 9 2007, 03:56 PM

Smoking CAN cause terminal diseases, but it also helps the country run and keeps an awful lot of hard-working busy people sane.

Eh, no it doesn't. It makes hard-working people stay home, and makes industries loose income
Even in the UK

And, according to some English people, also in the EU [/b][/quote]
Hmmm.... I think you will find that the revenue generated by smokers far exceeds punitive social security payments and days off. Thats completely foolish to post a fact sheet like that. The whole site is designed to be negative towards smoking as that is what they receive their budget for... so therefor they should be considered extremely biased.

Jan why are you so against it anyway, you got fanny cancer or something?

Easy answer.

Find a cheaper, unhealthy addiction.