Iran p&m

Thankfully, the whole damn publicity stunt is over

Yeah I'm so tired of hearing about it. Over in England the media have just become obsessed by it.

All in all, the whole situation had nothing to do with Iraq. I was silly to even bring that into the issue here. The only issue was that the Iranians thought it would do something to benefit them. They definitely proved once again that no one will do anything to stop them. They will just continue on the same course until they manage to produce a nuclear weapon and then it is over.

Originally posted by BuffaloChips@Apr 6 2007, 05:11 AM
(...) They definitely proved once again that no one will do anything to stop them. They will just continue on the same course until they manage to produce a nuclear weapon and then it is over.

Yeah, right with that one. It´s an absolute shame, what´s going on today. As I´m working on my major in history and archeology, i can only assure you guys that the things happening nowadays are cyclical events, from the historians P.O.V. Need proof? Kk, here goes:


1. The beginning of the 1st crusade was marked by an instable situation in the "Holy Land". Roughly around 1012 A.D., Pilgrims were attacked and villages ransacked, as the proud moors could not stand what the franconian (teutonian whatsoever) "believers" did to their land. They had tolerated the primitive westerners in their lands as the Quran stated, christians and jews were equally treated and protected as "Dhimmi", which roughly translates as "People Of The Book". This means, they were seen as people that were on the brink of understanding that Jesus was just another prophet in a long series of prophets, from the muslims P.O.V. This row of prophets is completed, in their belief ,by Muhammed. Pope UrbanII concluded on a great Synode, that the Suffering of the christian pilgrims in the holy land was something that "God´s Children" could tolerate no more, and he demanded every christian soul to make a "Wallfahrt" (pilgrimage) under weapons to the holy land, to destroy the enemy and help the opressed...Sounds familiar, doesn´t it? ;) Well, a religious motivated war in the period we call the medieval times always needed a spiritual leader to justify it, historically we speak of "bellum iustum" or "a just cause". This Just Cause is driven Ad Absurdum: Muslims had attacked a christian sepulchral church back in 1009, but the call to arms came 80 years later, in 1095. Why this gap? Well, the emperor of Byzantinum, Alexios I. Komnenos couldn´t stand the fact, that "Seldschuks" (muslim warriors that were a remnant of the Fatimid Kingdoms, under whose rule the church had been ransacked 80 years before) were endangering the most noble and beautiful city of it´s time, and he proposed to the pope to strengthen the power of the church by finally putting together the churches of Rome and Byzantinum, that had been separated for a long time, due to religious schisms and different beliefs after the fall of Rome during the dark ages.
The 1st Crusade was nothing more than a military pact for stability and safety, as well as a lot of ressources: After the destruction of a certain building (80 YEARS BEFORE!!) , military alliances were formed, some sort of scapegoat was made by the parties and after that, a great witchhunt against these socalled "opressors" began, who had always maintained a great sense of tolerance against the guest in their country. They were attacked by unjust means, to ensure safety of "The whole christian creation"....Anyone who would trie to tell me, the US of A are fighting for a just cause, is just another sheep that has been feeded primitive propaganda to feed the masses: The "Axis of Evil" is nothing more than a scapegoat to ensure the loyality of blind believers. Things are on a grerater scape here, and the evenst of 9/11 are absolutely out of control. What´s happening today is a cyclic repetition of the first 3 crusades, but the problem is, those participants back then didn´t have nuclear firepower...The USA are a country too young from my P.O.V. as a historian) to measure the scale of events their reaction to 9/11 provoked, and they lack respect for the proud muslim states, that never went trough the period of "Aufklärung". The situation is escalating, and there is no way bak to peace...Sooner or later, Iran or Korea will strike, and , as a repition oy cyclic events, millions when not myriads of innocent shall suffer for these unjust wars for so called "safety" and ressources...

Excellent piece there GreatCthulhu :thumbup:

GC, I would loove to read your entire post but, I have a short attention span(and beer in me). I would say you made a point but, Gazz agreed with you so, something has to be wrong

The point of this bitch was not to disagree with the war in Iaq! It was entirely to disagree with Iran taking hostages to prove a point!

Have you seen the news? Iran wants Britain to make things right because they let them go! Not only that, they called it a gift! Fuck them! They did it for a reason, they made the Brits say things they know were not right and calling it a gift was so wrong in soooooo many ways!

No one is ever going to tell me that just letting them go this close to Easter was some kind of coincidence! They had an agenda and they pulled it off well cause we all know, Brits are not going to bomb them.

This was nothing more than a pr stunt plain and simple.

Since you have a short attention span, let me keep the recent news developments short and simple for ya. A British captain admitted to being in Iranian waters at the time of capture, I still consider Iran as a menace but at least this was done with reason. Of course you have a short attention span, you're American

Funny how if it's Brits or AMericans captured, it's a major crysis and if it's some insignificant country's people, noone says a word about it for 8 years.

I guess you have never heard of the Bulgarian nurses and a Palestinian doctor held in prison in Lybia on false accusations, 2 times sentenced to death for supposedly infecting children with AIDS.

Accusations which world famous experts in AIDS proved beyond doubt to be fabricated.

But hey, Lybia sells petrol cheap, why bother, heh?

http://www.euronuke.org/article98.html

There you go, Nxs, it's short enough for you, I hope.

The Iranians didn't "capture" 15 sailors for good reason. If the ship had drifted into Iranian waters they should have just warned them or escorted them to international waters or even Iraqi waters. There was no need to attack them and take prisoners. The whole thing was planned out to end up the way it did. They were trying to make Britain owe them a "favor."